Nin Update..

so far its been 100%...maybe they made it that way to encourage more nin tanking? And it wouldnt mess up merits b/c then theres still the Innin...u need spells with it too which isnt ninja tool expertise so u would need the trait from merits.

Sounds like UO became alot more fun and easier :3

Yea im all sorts of tired lol, so it is 100%? cuz thats pretty sexy

Now if only this applied to the use of Shirukens too ; ;

i would*** my pants, lvl throwing, and get a few Koga SHurikens

The whole shuriken thing has been the only reason between me and liking nin... I WANT To THROW Dx

YONIN ACTIVATE!

looks like stan and kyle have same face lol

ok...this enmity increase is FAR from 23..its like..2....seriously. Yonin active enmity +7 from gear...spamming ele enfeebles and vokes..and a war STILL pulls hate from a single hit? I think something is wrong x.x

I think its only fully shines in lowman situations. In exp parties it should help you keep hate, but maybe not noticable.

Yeah, I think it would work best in more delicate situations with less fireworks going off all at once. Hard to get significant impact of one JA out of the mess of a full fledged TP burn party going on.

havnt been able to keep hate with it yet..

definitely 100%.. been testing it myself all night

Don't expect it to be godly. Even Plds have trouble in TP burn parties, especially Colibri.

http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/78660-innin-yonin-enmity-values.html

"Yonin starts at +30 and eventually wears at +10 after 5 minutes"

"Innin around -20 at start. Currently not enough good data to suggest an amount near the end."

Definitely 100%, yeah. Cast Utsusemi 45 times and it cost me 0 shehei!

I'm guessing that's not how they intended it to work...

since everyone thinks they work in SE and knows how to calculate Emnity.. someone let me know exactly how much emnity is from yonin and how much is from provoke..

I was just in a party in Crawler's Nest with a PLD tank, everything seemed alright. PLD DC'd and we found a NIN. My first thought was, "This should be interesting." The first mob we pulled, hate was everywhere. I asked her if she could use Yonin. Nothing. A couple mobs after, I asked her once again if she could use it. Her reply :

"ACC-(No thanks.)"

I understand how this could be a set back but, with everything that Yonin has on it, you really don't need your physical accuracy to help you keep hate and create enmity. Sure, this can cause problems if you're trying to skill up but, with the newly added boost in Skill Ups for lower and mid levels, this shouldn't be TOO much of a problem, right? I'm a COR, so Hunter's Roll was helping her, too. She finally uses Yonin and already, we found a drastic change in party flow. The BLU was free to self-skillchain when he wanted, and the NIN was still holding hate.

As much as you're sacrificing, NINs, I have to say, Yonin is an extremely useful Job Ability, and I think you all should make full use of it. I'm sure the -Acc can be rather annoying, but there's so much out there to make up for it. (ie : Sushi, Blade/Sword Madrigal, Hunter's Roll, etc.)

A bad workman blames his tools...

No one here works for SE, a few very clever people spent months testing the hate system.

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Enmity Table, showing all JAs and spells hate

And to answer you question provoke produces 1 CE and 1800 VE before and additiona enmity effect (gear or merits)

(You will need to read the links above to understand the difference between CE and VE)

I spent about four hours last night fighting tough crabs in Boyahda(solo). I was skilling up and was using /RNG, but the -acc on Yonin, not noticeable. I used no food. Spent no tools, although casted.

you should have told the nin to stop being so fail and learn to use the ele wheel. Yonin + ele wheel at those levels you shouldn't have trouble tanking.

At that level, even if you don't use the ele wheel, you should be able to negate the acc loss with gear and food.. Dorado Sushi would give you some extra enmity, and should damned-near guarantee you hit..

Was tanking last night in Aydeewa Subterrane, and I certainly lost hate here and there, but the WHM was spamming Curaga (II) more than a few times, we had a BRD which made me lose to WS from SAM and DRG now and then..

Even when they drop it back down from 100%, I think a NIN should be able to keep hate (I was doing fine with High Breath Mantle, both pieces of Gothic, and Nokizaru Hakama (+10)) on anything but Colibri. The rest of my slots I filled with acc or eva, and didn't really have much trouble with my acc, and could generally keep up Ni alone. When Kurayami and Hojo landed, I generally had Ni available while I still had 2 shadows left.

I also managed to erase 5 levels worth of Level Sync killing my Ninjutsu (180-198) in an hour-long party.. All for the cost of a tool here and there when I missed Yonin recast.

It could just be you? I looked at your gears and level, and yea, it may just be you.

if Yonin is 100% Ninja Tool Expertise, then there should be no excuse not to constantly use the E. wheel

Innin is missing something, though: Increased Dual Wield effect. D:

Wow.... This makes me want to lvl Nin again... I loved spamming the elemental wheel in pt's. >.>

FFFFF Here comes NIN's maintenance. :<

Colibri and Greater Colibri is an excuse not to use E Wheel.

Actually, Thandar, I often used the elemental wheel on colibri as a sort of pseudo-stun. They'd absorb it and cast it back at me in the time it took me to recast Ichi.

Call me crazy, but I think I'd rather a colibri be spamming the elemental wheel back at me than its normal attacks.

Also, has anyone tested the ninjutsu damage increase from Innin? That could be interesting.