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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-09 09:32:12
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
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All the locations for the rings are on wiki now anyways
I thought the list was incomplete still. I know I've checked the spots in a zone and it still be found by someone else afterwards.
Meh I've checked entire zones for a couple of hours and still had them found 30 min later. I'd say they don't all pop up at the same time. Just once 1 is finally found everyone searchs so the first few seem like they popped at the samish time
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-04-09 09:32:29
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet
I see you don't know how apradar works.
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By Lakshmi.Aeyela 2010-04-09 09:33:02
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet

Apradar only shows you something if you're <50' from it. So having apradar won't help you find a tablet if you're not in tabbable range of it anyway.
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By Ramuh.Kalyna 2010-04-09 09:33:34
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-.- quotes borked again

urial: you'd think you'd get the idea that square-enix wants people to find it legitly when they made it so BST and RNG can't find them via widescan anymore.

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By Lakshmi.Aeyela 2010-04-09 09:33:58
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
-.- quotes borked again

urial: you'd think you'd get the idea that square-enix wants people to find it legitly when they made it so BST and RNG can't find them via widescan anymore.

That's not true. They still show up on widescan. They always have done, and still do; you just have to be close enough for them to actually be visible for them to appear. That's the change they made.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-04-09 09:34:07
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Lakshmi.Aeyela said:
Ramuh.Kalyna said:
not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet

Apradar only shows you something if you're <50' from it. So having apradar won't help you find a tablet if you're not in tabbable range of it anyway.
And, iirc, apradar won't even pick it up at the 50' range. Didn't it have to be like less than '20?
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By Ramuh.Urial 2010-04-09 09:35:11
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
Ramuh.Kalyna said:
not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet
I see you don't know how apradar works.
Kal you dumbass I've never had a kupo ring lol also as woo said you can target anything on ap radar that is out of targeting range of 50'
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By Lakshmi.Aeyela 2010-04-09 09:35:18
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet

Apradar only shows you something if you're <50' from it. So having apradar won't help you find a tablet if you're not in tabbable range of it anyway.
And, iirc, apradar won't even pick it up at the 50' range. Didn't it have to be like less than '20?

Not sure, never used apradar on tablets... But since it can pick up dead bodies and stuff from 50' away I'd assume it'd pick tablets up.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-04-09 09:35:22
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
-.- quotes borked again

urial: you'd think you'd get the idea that square-enix wants people to find it legitly when they made it so BST and RNG can't find them via widescan anymore.
What SE wants people to do and what the playerbase does don't always match up.
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By Ramuh.Kalyna 2010-04-09 09:35:28
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
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not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet
I see you don't know how apradar works.
yeah, unlike everyone else, i like to do and get things legitly. if S-E decides to ban people for this apradar, then don't complain if you get banned. nothing is ever "untracable" especially 3rd party programs.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-09 09:35:40
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Hmmm well got my abysitte to turn purple think it is nappy nap time
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-04-09 09:36:28
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Lakshmi.Aeyela said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Lakshmi.Aeyela said:
Ramuh.Kalyna said:
not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet

Apradar only shows you something if you're <50' from it. So having apradar won't help you find a tablet if you're not in tabbable range of it anyway.
And, iirc, apradar won't even pick it up at the 50' range. Didn't it have to be like less than '20?

Not sure, never used apradar on tablets... But since it can pick up dead bodies and stuff from 50' away I'd assume it'd pick tablets up.
Maybe the unlocked apradar can. Would make sense. I've seen a lot of posts on BG about it not working. I wouldn't be surprised if every one of those posts were by people with locked apradar.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-09 09:37:09
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Ramuh.Kalyna said:
not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet
I see you don't know how apradar works.
yeah, unlike everyone else, i like to do and get things legitly. if S-E decides to ban people for this apradar, then don't complain if you get banned. nothing is ever "untracable" especially 3rd party programs.
Perhaps. But then again it would be illegal for them to scan the users computer to find out since it only reads game data. At which point SE would have multi-billion dollar class action law suit on there hands for infringing on everyones privacy.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-04-09 09:37:20
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Ramuh.Kalyna said:
not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet
I see you don't know how apradar works.
yeah, unlike everyone else, i like to do and get things legitly. if S-E decides to ban people for this apradar, then don't complain if you get banned. nothing is ever "untracable" especially 3rd party programs.
Orly? Please explain how apradar is traceable then.

And don't hold back. I'm a computer tech. I'll do my best to keep up with your explanation.

Edit: Aw, you two taking my fun away. =(
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By Lakshmi.Aeyela 2010-04-09 09:37:44
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Ramuh.Kalyna said:
not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet
I see you don't know how apradar works.
yeah, unlike everyone else, i like to do and get things legitly. if S-E decides to ban people for this apradar, then don't complain if you get banned. nothing is ever "untracable" especially 3rd party programs.

I won't cry if I get banned. I know the risks.

But it is completely untraceable. All apradar does is display all the info the server is sending to your client. The default interface shows minimal data, but everything that your character might interact with (including dead bodies and invisible monsters like VNMs) is still being processed by your client. SE just chose to withhold it from viewing.

So apradar is only showing what the server is sending anyway. When you move from 50' range of something, you can no longer target it - meaning it drops off of apradar as well. It's basically a glorified radar that actually shows you all the information the server is loading.
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By Ramuh.Kalyna 2010-04-09 09:38:33
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Lakshmi.Aeyela said:
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-.- quotes borked again urial: you'd think you'd get the idea that square-enix wants people to find it legitly when they made it so BST and RNG can't find them via widescan anymore.
That's not true. They still show up on widescan. They always have done, and still do; you just have to be close enough for them to actually be visible for them to appear. That's the change they made.
really? i heard they fixed it a few updates ago.
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Kal you dumbass I've never had a kupo ring lol also as woo said you can target anything on ap radar that is out of targeting range of 50'
reguardless, stuff like that is still cheating on an mmo.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2010-04-09 09:39:26
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Lakshmi.Aeyela said:
Ramuh.Kalyna said:
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet
I see you don't know how apradar works.
yeah, unlike everyone else, i like to do and get things legitly. if S-E decides to ban people for this apradar, then don't complain if you get banned. nothing is ever "untracable" especially 3rd party programs.

I won't cry if I get banned. I know the risks.

But it is completely untraceable. All apradar does is display all the info the server is sending to your client. The default interface shows minimal data, but everything that your character might interact with (including dead bodies and invisible monsters like VNMs) is still being processed by your client. SE just chose to withhold it from viewing.

So apradar is only showing what the server is sending anyway.


SE cares more about banning gil buyers than they do 3rd party users anyways.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-09 09:39:50
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
What SE wants people to do and what the playerbase does don't always match up.
QFMFT. I'm pretty sure they wanted nin to be some sorta of magic/ranged/melee mix DD... lulz. Apparently they want us to spend 18 hours killing AV taking shifts on characters and even switching jobs mid way thru so 1 character can use 5 different 2hrs... they wanted war to tank. etc etc etc
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By Lakshmi.Aeyela 2010-04-09 09:40:24
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really? i heard they fixed it a few updates ago.

They always appeared on widescan, except at first they would appear to a RNG75 4 map squares away. Then they changed it so, like tabbing onto them, you can only widescan them from a certain distance away (which is under 50', so it's not an advantage at all.) All widescan would be useful for is in mazey zones like Ro'Maeve or something where you need to pinpoint it's exact location through walls.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2010-04-09 09:40:46
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
Lakshmi.Aeyela said:
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-.- quotes borked again urial: you'd think you'd get the idea that square-enix wants people to find it legitly when they made it so BST and RNG can't find them via widescan anymore.
That's not true. They still show up on widescan. They always have done, and still do; you just have to be close enough for them to actually be visible for them to appear. That's the change they made.
really? i heard they fixed it a few updates ago.
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Kal you dumbass I've never had a kupo ring lol also as woo said you can target anything on ap radar that is out of targeting range of 50'
reguardless, stuff like that is still cheating on an mmo.
So is windower...and in that case most of FF cheats. Oh darn.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-09 09:41:03
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Ramuh.Urial said:
SE cares more about banning gil buyers than they do 3rd party users anyways.
That and gardeners lol
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-04-09 09:41:35
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
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What SE wants people to do and what the playerbase does don't always match up.
QFMFT. I'm pretty sure they wanted nin to be some sorta of magic/ranged/melee mix DD... lulz. Apparently they want us to spend 18 hours killing AV taking shifts on characters and even switching jobs mid way thru so 1 character can use 5 different 2hrs... they wanted war to tank. etc etc etc
NIN is probably one of the best examples out there.
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By Ramuh.Kalyna 2010-04-09 09:41:48
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Ramuh.Kalyna said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Ramuh.Kalyna said:
not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet
I see you don't know how apradar works.
yeah, unlike everyone else, i like to do and get things legitly. if S-E decides to ban people for this apradar, then don't complain if you get banned. nothing is ever "untracable" especially 3rd party programs.
Perhaps. But then again it would be illegal for them to scan the users computer to find out since it only reads game data. At which point SE would have multi-billion dollar class action law suit on there hands for infringing on everyones privacy.
if they wanted to they can add it in the ToS and claim the user agreed to it next time he/she logged on. mmos change their ToS every month. besides they can just ban you for no good reason.
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By Lakshmi.Aeyela 2010-04-09 09:42:02
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So is windower...and in that case most of FF cheats. Oh darn.

I know somebody who has never used third party programmes, doesn't even use Windower. They had a Goldsmithing character @ 100, which had 12 mules for gardening. SE banned them for "RMTing".
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By Titan.Marzbarz 2010-04-09 09:42:42
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Lakshmi.Aeyela said:
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So is windower...and in that case most of FF cheats. Oh darn.

I know somebody who has never used third party programmes, doesn't even use Windower. They had a Goldsmithing character @ 100, which had 12 mules for gardening. SE banned them for "RMTing".
Wow~ :/
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
if they wanted to they can add it in the ToS and claim the user agreed to it next time he/she logged on. mmos change their ToS every month. besides they can just ban you for no good reason.

Exactly. All the more reason not to give a ***about it lol.
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I've mentioned my thoughts on windower and plugins before. I limit my usage to things that I could do myself. Distance plugin is the closest I use to cheating since I never learned how much distance on screen equals how many yalms. (recast just saves time in menus, etc.)

Apradar does nothing but keep me from spinning in circles and tabbing over and over.
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By Ramuh.Kalyna 2010-04-09 09:44:27
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Lakshmi.Aeyela said:
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So is windower...and in that case most of FF cheats. Oh darn.
I know somebody who has never used third party programmes, doesn't even use Windower. They had a Goldsmithing character @ 100, which had 12 mules for gardening. SE banned them for "RMTing".
question is: was he? because RMTing is obvious when he gives the gil to someone for no reason what so ever (that's not his account)
Lakshmi.Aeyela said:
Ramuh.Kalyna said:
if they wanted to they can add it in the ToS and claim the user agreed to it next time he/she logged on. mmos change their ToS every month. besides they can just ban you for no good reason.
Exactly. All the more reason not to give a ***about it lol.
/shrug

for all you know they prolly added it already and are spying on you right now.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-09 09:45:17
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
not for urial, who has shitload of kupo rings and it'd be obvious for s-e to figure it out when they see he goes into every area, pauses for 3 minutes then goes right to a mog tablet
I see you don't know how apradar works.
yeah, unlike everyone else, i like to do and get things legitly. if S-E decides to ban people for this apradar, then don't complain if you get banned. nothing is ever "untracable" especially 3rd party programs.
Perhaps. But then again it would be illegal for them to scan the users computer to find out since it only reads game data. At which point SE would have multi-billion dollar class action law suit on there hands for infringing on everyones privacy.
if they wanted to they can add it in the ToS and claim the user agreed to it next time he/she logged on. mmos change their ToS every month. besides they can just ban you for no good reason.
FFxi hasn't changed there Tos since like 04-05 when they more or less got rid of it and just started using the user agreements. If you notice you haven't actually agreed to anything when logging in for a long *** time. And even if they did that they could still get the pants sued off them. And you can't just ninja stuff like that in and have it hold up.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-04-09 09:45:20
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Ramuh.Kalyna said:
Lakshmi.Aeyela said:
Ramuh.Urial said:
So is windower...and in that case most of FF cheats. Oh darn.
I know somebody who has never used third party programmes, doesn't even use Windower. They had a Goldsmithing character @ 100, which had 12 mules for gardening. SE banned them for "RMTing".
question is: was he? because RMTing is obvious when he gives the gil to someone for no reason what so ever (that's not his account)
I don't think you were around for the massive gardening bans. A lot of innocent folks were banned.
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