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Final Fantasy XV
By eliroo 2016-12-15 10:54:17
I just felt like they drained to much HP, making them harder to use early on. I don't even feel like they were strong enough to justify them draining HP period.
By Kalila 2016-12-15 11:17:17
Villain Rating:
For me: Villains: 8/10
More spoils: I strongly disagree. Ardyn was an amazing Villian. He was every bit of a modern Kefka, but still not as good. He established control from the very beginning of the game. He created this weird sense of "Trust" but "Mistrust" through your journey and he culminated in Chapter 13. As you are climbing the structure you truly see how incredibly evil he is as you read the pamphlets and hear him mocking you. You know what you must do and what you must do is exactly what he wants you to do. Just like Kefka, Ardyn won. He got the world he wanted and essentially destroyed everything. Unlike Kefka though, Ardyn was much more devious and controlling. The story played out exactly how he wanted it too and continually mindeffed Noctis. Easily one of the best villians in the Final Fantasy series, I do think Kefka was better but not too much better. Aside from the main Villain, I agree that all others fell flat which is why I would give the whole category a 8/10. If it was just off the main Villain it would have been an easy 9.5/10. I do think he was a good, if not great main villain. There was a lot of emotion involved around him and the story, and he did his job well even if the final battle had absolutely no challenge to it, you could've most likely been able to hold nothing but circle the entire time and still defeated him.
The reason I gave it a 2, and still, is just my opinion, so I'm not really countering your score, just explaining why I gave it such a low score, was that the other villains were very weak. Extremely weak, not by physical or mental strength, but by character building and development, and there were very few additional villain characters at that. The whole threat to the story wasn't really pointed at until halfway or so through the game, besides the random airship drops of robots attacking you.
To me it was a very poor villain experience, the group of characters under the villain category not just the main bad guy. I craved so much more, for the story to show me characters that are against me, and it felt like I was just following the motions.
Part of that is the story issues, it's not a very strong story. I'm not talking about the material, but the strength and foundation of the story itself and parts that make up it. My concerns were based mainly around this lack of strength, and how it felt like everything was strung together at the last moment to finally push this game out.
Which makes no sense... considering they put the effort into making a movie and an animated series, along with other things outside of the game. Also, my opinion of the game ignored these outside sources, as I refuse to contribute outside sources towards the final gaming experience. The vital information provided in those outside sources needs to be inside of the game as well, because there are going to be people who will not watch them.
With the game and shows together they make a more clear picture of everything, but the game can't be held up by outside material, in my opinion, and that is why I gave the story such a low score.
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Anyways, I'm glad others are sharing their experiences and opinions as well. I don't believe my opinion is the right one to have, it's just the only one I have for myself. To me, those opinion scores represent how I felt about those aspects of the game, and just the game itself.
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By Kalila 2016-12-15 11:27:58
I will say though, the lore and backstory behind everything is really interesting once you capture the entire experience. I just think the game went about it poorly. Again, just my opinion.
By eliroo 2016-12-15 11:33:50
The reason I gave it a 2, and still, is just my opinion, so I'm not really countering your score, just explaining why I gave it such a low score, was that the other villains were very weak. Extremely weak, not by physical or mental strength, but by character building and development, and there were very few additional villain characters at that. The whole threat to the story wasn't really pointed at until halfway or so through the game, besides the random airship drops of robots attacking you.
Yea, I definitely agree with you there. I think my rating just put a heavier slant on the main villain. All of the other villains in the game just fell through and eventually became non-existant. CH.13 explains the reasoning behind this, but I still think they could have done a better job establishing them as enemies early on. I also found that with the outside content it made Ravus even more confusing of a character
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-12-15 11:35:40
Just remember guys FF is known for "epic" villains the likes of Seymour, Vayne, Exdeath, Barthandelus and Ultimecia.
Let's just say it's not always been the best feature...
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-12-15 11:36:45
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By Kalila 2016-12-15 11:38:44
Yea I definitely agree. When it comes to main villains, ignoring storytelling faults, I think he's a strong one. Like I said in my original post, I considered him like Kefka. They even mentioned Ardyn as the jester or something along those lines in the game near the end.
I wasn't really disappointed with Ardyn, I don't agree with the interview saying that the XV villain will the the strongest villain yet, because I think there are better. I personally wouldn't want to rank him anywhere because my memory isn't that great, and to be honest, I have forgot some of the villains in FF games even though I've played all the main titled series games.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-12-15 11:40:51
The vital information provided in those outside sources needs to be inside of the game as well, because there are going to be people who will not watch them.
Even if it has been mentioned in an outside source it should always be mentioned again in the game, for those who didn't read/watch w/e it was. It's like having some backstory in the manual in the old days but they always included it in the game itself (because who reads manuals anyway? I did)
By Kalila 2016-12-15 11:43:01
I DID :D
I would read them, if not skim through them before I hit start to play the game with the title screen up.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-12-15 11:43:49
I read the character bios for games at least, gameplay stuff I didn't bother with
By eliroo 2016-12-15 11:46:21
I wasn't really disappointed with Ardyn, I don't agree with the interview saying that the XV villain will the the strongest villain yet
IMO, he is definitely close but Kefka trumps him. I think if we ever get a FF6 remake with full voices and 3D animation, Kefka would probably end up being the best villain in any game.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-12-15 11:47:33
I don't think I'd want a remake of 6, might completely ruin the game. Same with 9, a remake likely wouldn't capture the charm the game had
By eliroo 2016-12-15 11:48:11
I think SE could do it. Let's judge the remake of FF7 first.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-12-15 11:51:58
I think 7 and 8 are easier to remake in modern graphics just because of the character design and the style of the game itself
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By Ramuh.Austar 2016-12-15 11:55:44
C. Ballad is probably my top villain.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-12-15 11:59:30
C. Ballad is probably my top villain. The only thing that made sense in a trainwreck of a game.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-12-15 12:00:36
If they do end up making a 16 I'd want something more like 1-6/9 instead of futuristic
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By RolandJ 2016-12-15 12:05:30
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »I don't think I'd want a remake of 6, might completely ruin the game. Same with 9, a remake likely wouldn't capture the charm the game had
Assuming that they follow some of their recent trends, don't you think that the remakes of these would a) focus tons of resources on graphics b) focus tons of resources on some new & ambitious action-oriented rather than turn-based battle system, c) focus on making the world map as gorgeous as possible. Both a, b, & c would take away from their time spent on the character & storytelling elements, b would certainly meddle with the game in one way or another, and c would be interesting. In FF15 it left us with a huge and empty landscape full of invisible walls and devoid but as a remake they'd be forced to create a enormous worldmap. FF15's worldmap is not enormous as far as geographic scale is concerned. The world maps in most FF games have been of a global scale - the size of an entire planet and the landmasses/oceans contained therein. FF15's two main continents are the size of real-life islands - they are certainly not of a global scale. In the old games they simply used a map scale for portraying geographic features. For instance, they would portray an entire crater, similar to titan's area in FF15, by using a itty-bitty crater the size of your character on the worldmap. SE's focus on micro-detailing the worldmap came at the cost of a miniature and relatively empty of content worldmap. If they detail it like they did FF15's then it would 1) require too many man hours/gigabytes to create 2) interfere with the free-travel of the airships that were in the original game. I wonder how well they would end up handling c.
Square Enix seems to be mostly about eye candy lately and we get left with very little actual story substance and often a linear story arc plus the traditional, turn-based fans get neglected. I hope that their game development focus gets aligned with the one that existed in the 90s and early 00's soon - I kinda feel like a group of young, foolishly action gameplay-oriented, and graphics-oriented kids took over the company concerning ff13, 14, and 15 at the cost of the old & impeccable turn-based & story charm that the company used to harness. If this doesn't change then, though I very well still may partially like some of the new games that they make, they won't be my favorite game company in regards to new games.
Edit: the first paragraph has been heavily edited since you quoted it Drac. Also, I was hoping for a miniature conversation on these matters but given your one-liner reply it looks like it's might not happen, lol. /sigh.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-12-15 12:09:30
Assuming that they follow some of their recent trends, don't you think that the remakes of these would a) focus tons of resources on graphics b) focus tons of resources on some new & ambitious action-oriented rather than turn-based battle system, c) focus on making the world map as gorgeous as possible. Both a, b, & c would take away from their time spent on the character & storytelling elements, b would certainly meddle with the game in one way or another, and c would leave us with a huge and empty landscape full of invisible walls much like FFXV's.
If it's a remake they already have the characters and storytelling elements done lol
By Kalila 2016-12-15 12:10:51
I liked Ardyn's story a bit, backstory anyways.
Originally Ardyn Lucis Caelum, was a Lucian resident 2000 years ago chosen by the Astral gods to save Eos from the Starscourge, a malady that transformed people into daemons. Ardyn absorbed countless daemons into himself, resulting in his immortality, to save thousands across the world.
However, another jealous king (Noctis' ancestor) demonized him in front of his own people, and the Astrals denounced him as unclean, denying him entry to the Astral Realm. The same jealous king later becomes chosen by the crystal, and because of his newly obtained immortality, Ardyn took the surname of "Izunia" and vowed to one day have his revenge on the True King's descendants and the Crystal.
Ardyn bided his time for millennia before establishing himself as chancellor to Iedolas Aldercapt, providing his knowledge to the Niflheim army to begin his plan for revenge. It is hinted that "Izunia" was originally the name of the king who banished Ardyn.
Ardyn travels to Lucis to offer Aldercapt's terms of peace to its reigning monarch, Regis Lucis Caelum CXIII. Besides relaying demands for Regis to surrender all territories save for Insomnia, Ardyn also insisted for the king to have his son Noctis wed Lunafreya Nox Fleuret. When Niflheim invades the Crown City three days later during the treaty signing, Ardyn and Aldercapt steal the Crystal during the crisis. The pair then watch the Old Wall fight a Diamond Weapon before fleeing.
Ardyn meets Noctis and his friends for the first time at Galdin Quay. There, he cryptically tells them the local ferry is no longer running. Declaring himself an "impatient traveler," Ardyn states the ceasefire between Lucis and Niflheim is "getting us nowhere." He then tosses a coin to Noctis and company, telling them to consider it their "allowance." Gladiolus Amicitia catches the coin and demands Ardyn's identity. The suspicious stranger merely states he is "a man of no consequence."
In Lestallum, Ardyn offers to take Noctis and his friends to the Astral Shard, under which Titan rests. He bids the young men goodbye but returns soon afterwards in a Niflheim airship to save them from the Archaean's wrath. In doing so, Ardyn reveals his identity as Niflheim's chancellor yet continues helping Noctis and company while preventing Niflheim's army from hunting them down.
After Lunafreya Nox Fleuret summons Leviathan in Altissia, Ardyn confronts the Oracle and stabs her with a dagger. He appears once more before Noctis on a train ride to Gralea, Niflheim's capital, and torments him. Ardyn tricks Noctis into pushing Prompto Argentum off the train, and he later witnesses the Glacian, Shiva, grant Noctis her power.
In Gralea, Ardyn continuously taunts Noctis after the Lucian king is separated from his allies. After Noctis reunites with Ignis Scientia and Gladiolus, he has the trio face Iedolas Aldercapt and Ravus Nox Fleuret, who have been turned into daemons. When Noctis abandons his friends to seek power from the Crystal, Ardyn confronts him and reveals his true identity. As he watches the Crystal absorb Noctis, Ardyn states he will be waiting for the young man to return as the True King.
With Lunafreya dead and Noctis out of the way, Ardyn enacts the Starscourge, thus causing daemons to run amok in Eos for the next decade. He is confronted in his new abode, Insomnia, by a reawakened Noctis and his allies, whom he pits against the Infernian, Ifrit.
Following the hostile Astral's defeat, Ardyn incapacitates Noctis's allies and faces the rival king himself. Overpowered by Noctis, Ardyn is finally able to rest in peace. His body fades away, and his spirit is destroyed when Noctis, who gave his life to halt the Starscourge and purge the daemons, uses the power of those he cherishes and the Lucian kings of old to land a final blow.
So interesting, at least to me.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-12-15 12:14:15
I liked Ardyn's story a bit, backstory anyways.
Originally Ardyn Lucis Caelum, was a Lucian resident 2000 years ago chosen by the Astral gods to save Eos from the Starscourge, a malady that transformed people into daemons. Ardyn absorbed countless daemons into himself, resulting in his immortality, to save thousands across the world.
However, another jealous king (Noctis' ancestor) demonized him in front of his own people, and the Astrals denounced him as unclean, denying him entry to the Astral Realm. The same jealous king later becomes chosen by the crystal, and because of his newly obtained immortality, Ardyn took the surname of "Izunia" and vowed to one day have his revenge on the True King's descendants and the Crystal.
Ardyn bided his time for millennia before establishing himself as chancellor to Iedolas Aldercapt, providing his knowledge to the Niflheim army to begin his plan for revenge. It is hinted that "Izunia" was originally the name of the king who banished Ardyn.
Ardyn travels to Lucis to offer Aldercapt's terms of peace to its reigning monarch, Regis Lucis Caelum CXIII. Besides relaying demands for Regis to surrender all territories save for Insomnia, Ardyn also insisted for the king to have his son Noctis wed Lunafreya Nox Fleuret. When Niflheim invades the Crown City three days later during the treaty signing, Ardyn and Aldercapt steal the Crystal during the crisis. The pair then watch the Old Wall fight a Diamond Weapon before fleeing.
Ardyn meets Noctis and his friends for the first time at Galdin Quay. There, he cryptically tells them the local ferry is no longer running. Declaring himself an "impatient traveler," Ardyn states the ceasefire between Lucis and Niflheim is "getting us nowhere." He then tosses a coin to Noctis and company, telling them to consider it their "allowance." Gladiolus Amicitia catches the coin and demands Ardyn's identity. The suspicious stranger merely states he is "a man of no consequence."
In Lestallum, Ardyn offers to take Noctis and his friends to the Astral Shard, under which Titan rests. He bids the young men goodbye but returns soon afterwards in a Niflheim airship to save them from the Archaean's wrath. In doing so, Ardyn reveals his identity as Niflheim's chancellor yet continues helping Noctis and company while preventing Niflheim's army from hunting them down.
After Lunafreya Nox Fleuret summons Leviathan in Altissia, Ardyn confronts the Oracle and stabs her with a dagger. He appears once more before Noctis on a train ride to Gralea, Niflheim's capital, and torments him. Ardyn tricks Noctis into pushing Prompto Argentum off the train, and he later witnesses the Glacian, Shiva, grant Noctis her power.
In Gralea, Ardyn continuously taunts Noctis after the Lucian king is separated from his allies. After Noctis reunites with Ignis Scientia and Gladiolus, he has the trio face Iedolas Aldercapt and Ravus Nox Fleuret, who have been turned into daemons. When Noctis abandons his friends to seek power from the Crystal, Ardyn confronts him and reveals his true identity. As he watches the Crystal absorb Noctis, Ardyn states he will be waiting for the young man to return as the True King.
With Lunafreya dead and Noctis out of the way, Ardyn enacts the Starscourge, thus causing daemons to run amok in Eos for the next decade. He is confronted in his new abode, Insomnia, by a reawakened Noctis and his allies, whom he pits against the Infernian, Ifrit.
Following the hostile Astral's defeat, Ardyn incapacitates Noctis's allies and faces the rival king himself. Overpowered by Noctis, Ardyn is finally able to rest in peace. His body fades away, and his spirit is destroyed when Noctis, who gave his life to halt the Starscourge and purge the daemons, uses the power of those he cherishes and the Lucian kings of old to land a final blow.
So interesting, at least to me.
By Kalila 2016-12-15 12:34:17
Well, flying is pretty fun, and I accomplished to destroy my car instantly by trying to fly under the arches.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-12-15 12:35:23
Did you do the dungeon you can only reach by flying yet?
By Kalila 2016-12-15 12:44:39
I just tried landing on the runway, crashed and burned.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-12-15 12:45:19
I just tried landing on the runway, crashed and burned. Well, you said you wanted a challenge.
By Viciouss 2016-12-15 12:48:50
Well, flying is pretty fun, and I accomplished to destroy my car instantly by trying to fly under the arches.
The novelty wore off quick for me
By Kalila 2016-12-15 12:54:47
PERFECT LANDING!!!
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By eliroo 2016-12-15 13:12:06
C. Ballad is probably my top villain. The only thing that made sense in a trainwreck of a game.
I was gunna say this. He was the only reason I could bring myself to beat the game. His VA was amazing too, really sold the character.
By eliroo 2016-12-15 13:18:07
So interesting, at least to me.
His use of the phrase "Allowance" when he tossed them the coin is really interesting. I completely forgot about that.
By Kalila 2016-12-15 14:05:12
Finally beat the final training with no magic. Ignis stop trying to be the healer :\!
REMOVED NODE ;O
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