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[Dev] Software Token Smartphone App
By Nsane 2013-03-21 13:10:47
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Bahamut.Tokidoki
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By Bahamut.Tokidoki 2013-03-21 13:30:14
Unless they offer even more storage for this then count me out, I have no probs with the little token on my desk and no desire to complicate things.
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Ragnarok.Sekundes
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2013-03-21 13:41:11
This would be nice since I occasionally like to log in on my laptop but I'm too paranoid to bring my token with me since it will likely get lost or left in my jeans and get washed...
But I'm curious, can you have both the app and the token? It'd be lovely for a fail over too, I mean the token has to run out of batteries at some point and being able to use both would be nice.
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-03-21 13:43:42
You can utilize both in other games that use tokens and apps so I figure SE is just copying that particular model and would allow the usage of both.
I'm super paranoid about the token and always forget to grab it off my desk for when I log on from my laptop so count me in!
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Valefor.Esdain
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By Valefor.Esdain 2013-03-21 13:52:38
Question now will be "is it free?"
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-03-21 13:54:28
i fully expect se to be like the first developer to charge money for an authenticator app
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Shiva.Damonz
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By Shiva.Damonz 2013-03-21 13:57:53
Valefor.Prothescar said: »i fully expect se to be like the first developer to charge money for an authenticator app I'm not sure I expect them to charge for the app, I wouldn't put it past them to require you to buy the token to use the app tho.
By Kugo 2013-03-21 14:04:49
No Windows Phone I see SE....... welp it's a step in the right direction.
Fenrir.Camiie
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-03-21 14:23:15
They'd be absolutely braindead to make this in any way an expense or hassle for the end user since this benefits them as much as it does us.
Of course, this is SE. They have extreme difficulty with anything beyond developing a standalone game and packaging it for retail sale.
By kenshynofshiva 2013-03-21 14:25:14
Peeps will pay and they know it heck I paid just for the satchel f the token give me 80 more spaces and I would pay again lol....
Siren.Mosin
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-03-21 14:25:59
They'd be absolutely braindead to make this in any way an expense or hassle for the end user since this benefits them as much as it does us. Of course, this is SE. They have extreme difficulty with anything beyond developing a standalone game and packaging it for retail sale.
and they are argueably failing at that.
By Quiznor 2013-03-21 14:36:34
I remember when the token came out,everyone I knew was buying it for the storage,not the account security
Siren.Mosin
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-03-21 14:37:08
I remember when the token came out,everyone I knew was buying it for the storage,not the account security
that's why I bought it, lol.
Shiva.Gib
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By Shiva.Gib 2013-03-21 14:40:39
Question now will be "is it free?"
 Blizzards is Free, and they have waaaayyyyy more people to milk AND They're connected to Activision.
Shiva.Kewitt
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By Shiva.Kewitt 2013-03-21 14:41:36
I remember when the token came out,everyone I knew was buying it for the storage,not the account security
that's why I bought it, lol.
That's why I got it too.
Then I got ride of it like 2 weeks later.
Then got a new one for FFXIV and am still using it.
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2013-03-21 21:16:46
So.. I just got my token today, when would I be able to access my Satchel? I registered it, logged out, logged back in and 30 mins later still don't have access, any insight would be appreciated :D
Bahamut.Yimoa
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By Bahamut.Yimoa 2013-03-21 21:26:50
I remember it taking a little while to kick in, couple hours at most?
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2013-03-21 21:29:03
Mmmk, Thanks Yimoa, Long time no see! ^^/
By Quiznor 2013-03-22 02:48:38
Question now will be "is it free?"
 Blizzards is Free, and they have waaaayyyyy more people to milk AND They're connected to Activision.
Dont forget though,SE think they have the 2nd coming of christ with XIV atm
Bahamut.Bekisa
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By Bahamut.Bekisa 2013-03-22 03:13:56
ive never heard of anyone's authenticator app being hacked or compromised.
It's very possible just not likely but the people who are out to get MMO accounts. More than doable for someone with nation-state support; especially those on the upper tech level.
Blizzard's encryption protocol was vulnerable recently for their mobile app too. It wasn't their authenticators fault but the communications system it used ... well I guess it was both their faults! http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/blizzards_authenticators_compromised_battlenet_hack_attack
Physical authenticators get broken all the time as well, and ones that are much more sophisticated than the cheap ones we bought from SE. The ones we use at my work for our ASA vpn's cost roughly $100 each and are about 15X's the encryption hash length and salts as the cheap-o SE version does. The previous generation of them was burnt a two years ago. http://dankaminsky.com/2011/06/09/securid/
By Smurfite 2013-03-22 03:22:04
Real token, token app, Still get hacked. Nuf said.
By Jetackuu 2013-03-22 08:41:20
Question now will be "is it free?" The token wasn't free, I don't see them making this free.
I'm sure it will cost the same as the token, and provide the satchel if you buy it. difference is: the token was a physical device that had to be manufactured, and distributed, the work for this is already done: they may very well release it just to cut down on costs of recovering stolen accounts.
Personally if it were up to me: I'd force people to use it.
Ragnarok.Sekundes
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2013-03-22 08:46:32
Apps aren't free to make and while they have the token security system in place they probably had to add some stuff to utilize an app based method. I have no doubt that implementing this will cost them some, it probably won't be much, not enough to warrant charging their customers for it when they REALLY want you to use it since it's likely to save them time and money not having to deal with as many hacked accounts.
Sylph.Ashiya
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By Sylph.Ashiya 2013-03-22 09:11:08
would like to use it, but no IOS device here or androis FML! /sticks to token :X
Lakshmi.Quixote
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By Lakshmi.Quixote 2013-03-22 09:39:31
I think its kind of pointless onless this is the new way for them to sale us more storage,that will be the only reason why i will buy this. Besides that the token are small to take with you any where and they look cool as key chains as well.
By Jetackuu 2013-03-22 09:41:47
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »Apps aren't free to make and while they have the token security system in place they probably had to add some stuff to utilize an app based method. I have no doubt that implementing this will cost them some, it probably won't be much, not enough to warrant charging their customers for it when they REALLY want you to use it since it's likely to save them time and money not having to deal with as many hacked accounts.
Never said they weren't, neither is designing a piece of hardware, however the difference is in manufacturing costs and method of delivery, they could have sent out tokens to all users, at a hefty cost, they can easily distribute this software, at no additional cost.
Just saying that the two aren't so easily comparable, as there is a severe difference in method of production, and delivery, in a physical device, and software.
Not trying to say that both didn't take some effort to design/implement.
another way to put it: I agree with you, I said it poorly.
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By Jetackuu 2013-03-22 09:42:20
would like to use it, but no IOS device here or androis FML! /sticks to token :X could run a android emulator and do it that way, free to download as well.
Diabolos.Prodigy
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By Diabolos.Prodigy 2013-03-22 09:43:37
This is also a step in the right direction because when your battery finally dies on your physical token, you won't be screwed. And SE won't have to go through the trouble getting you a new one assigned, if they even do that lol.
Lakshmi.Quixote
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By Lakshmi.Quixote 2013-03-22 09:50:05
I always wondered about this because there seems no way to open the token without the risk of damage. maybe i will buy after trying to replace the battery :P
Fenrir.Mariane
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2013-03-22 09:53:53
I always wondered about this because there seems no way to open the token without the risk of damage. maybe i will buy after trying to replace the battery :P
You won't be able to replace the token battery unless you manage to figure out a method to keep it powered on while you replace it.
If it loses it's date/time it will lose sync with the server, meaning it's good as trash.
So if you try make sure it never loses power.
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