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 Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-02-02 09:52:45
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I don't know how it works, was wondering if maybe it was a ja macro piece.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2014-02-02 10:01:48
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Needs to be on during the countered hit. Body is all I ever take out of slip 10 for MNK.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-02-02 10:03:42
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Ah alright, will only bother with body then. Don't have much to spend login points on so was checking some random +2 empy stuff.
 
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By Asura.Slugman 2014-02-02 12:47:20
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so, for the most part, the roe gear beats any combo of thaumas/empy/relic gear? I have no af1+1, so should I just start dumping sparks into extra pages (sparks come faster than limbus) or pick up the roe gear until reforged relic update?
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2014-02-02 13:51:51
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Bahamut.Krizz said: »
I have full Espial now. The best part about it is that it can be worn as THF as well, so I knocked out two birds with one stone.

I'm 7/10 on Rem's tale to upgrade the body for Chakra.

Before I start on Otronif gear or anything more difficult than sparks, I need to make sure my WHM is caught up.

Not sure if you've updated your actual gear sets yet, but since the item sets haven't changed:

1) Every single piece of Espial is better than what you've got currently listed for your Shijin set. Just change over to 5/5 Espial for now.

2) Espial head and legs beat Genbu/Kensei for Chakra, so you can replace those pieces as well.
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2014-02-02 14:04:46
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Asura.Slugman said: »
so, for the most part, the roe gear beats any combo of thaumas/empy/relic gear? I have no af1+1, so should I just start dumping sparks into extra pages (sparks come faster than limbus) or pick up the roe gear until reforged relic update?

Thaumas body still wins on pretty much any comparison for mnk if you don't need to worry about defense or very high acc at all.

All of Tantra is obsoleted aside from the body during Impetus.

The only point of relic (right now) is the augments for enhanced JAs (and body regen for idle), all of which are still useful except possibly the head.

Reforged AF head and body are worthwhile for the improved JA enhancements. Hands are decent for weaponskills if you +1 them (Espial beats the NQ).

Since they hardly gave anything aside from raw base stats on the reforged AF, I wouldn't put any effort into trying to make them into more fulltime sets.

Also, I'd only use sparks to fill out 1 or 2 missing pages when you upgrade. Much faster to do BC runs. A trio can beat all the Normal level fights, and if your orb gives you the full drop of 4 pages (instead of 2 pages plus a pluton/boulder/beitetsu), 3 runs gives you 10 pages, exactly enough for an upgrade.

On the other hand, soloing Limbus is trivial. If you still have login points, buy up one half of the upgrade items you need (currently you can buy the Temenos half; previous campaign allowed you to buy Apollyon items; it's possible it might rotate back next campaign, so you hardly need to do anything at all). Then use wikia wiki to decide which zone to hit based on drop rates. Then those 10 pages from a 3-person run gives you two upgrades.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2014-02-02 14:13:02
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Thinking of coming back for a bit;

Walked out with

Wep: Oatixurs
Ammo: honed tathlum/attack+15 bomblet
Heads: Usu+1, Whrilpool
Neck: Asperity
Earrings:Steelflash/bloodborne
Body: Thaumas, Mani rank 15
Hands: Brego, Melee +2
Rings: Rajas/Epona's
Back: Atheling
Waist: Black Belt, Wind Buffet, Twilight, others
Legs: Mank rank 15
Feet: Usu+1, Mank rank 15

Any order of importance on upgrades? I know hands can pretty much be upgraded right away; but haven't rly kept up with much else since I left.
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2014-02-02 14:23:32
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Fenrir.Motenten said: »
Not sure if you've updated your actual gear sets yet, but since the item sets haven't changed:

1) Every single piece of Espial is better than what you've got currently listed for your Shijin set. Just change over to 5/5 Espial for now.

2) Espial head and legs beat Genbu/Kensei for Chakra, so you can replace those pieces as well.
The only set on here I updated was the current TP set. I updated Shijin in game, but not on here. I also updated the head for Chakra, but not the legs. Going to do that now.

Thanks.

Edit: My 'current' sets should all be updated now.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2014-02-02 14:29:33
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Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »
I would prioritize unlocking victory smite from your vere, put all that hard work to use.
That just takes a few minutes, no?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-02-02 14:33:04
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yea, just need to talk to a moogle with them equipped then trade them to him
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By Sylph.Peldin 2014-02-02 18:42:14
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Thinking of coming back for a bit;

Walked out with

Wep: Oatixurs
Ammo: honed tathlum/attack+15 bomblet
Heads: Usu+1, Whrilpool
Neck: Asperity
Earrings:Steelflash/bloodborne
Body: Thaumas, Mani rank 15
Hands: Brego, Melee +2
Rings: Rajas/Epona's
Back: Atheling
Waist: Black Belt, Wind Buffet, Twilight, others
Legs: Mank rank 15
Feet: Usu+1, Mank rank 15

Any order of importance on upgrades? I know hands can pretty much be upgraded right away; but haven't rly kept up with much else since I left.
Uk'uxkaj Cap is probably your biggest upgrade (from WKR)
Quiahuiz Leggings are pretty snazzy (from WKR)
If you have the time/money to shoot for perfect Otronif augment, go for hands -> legs -> feet
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By pchan 2014-02-03 00:34:20
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Quaihuiz leg suck. WKR sucks in general, why waste time in that ? The best head would be the TA head / acc head from arkangels (which comes with PDT) : lithelimb cap / felistris mask. I wouldn't farm anything but otronif. They might not be all best in slot (except if augmented) but they are getting an item level boost in 3 weeks lol, so farming anything else is counter productive. Just don't waste time on +2 stones, get a couple of stacks of +1 stones for cheap, and put pdt in all the gear.

Otronif has the advantage of being decent/best for victory smite and manibhozho has no real use anymore I think. It can be used for acc build if you don't fear getting smacked (the only place where acc is required are sky bcnms). You can still upgrade otronif with acc though.
 
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By Kyler 2014-02-03 00:58:13
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In hybrid or full PDT, Lithelimb when you need acc(AA or unbuffed delve or wkr) otronif when you don't (everything else)
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By Sylph.Peldin 2014-02-03 07:54:33
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pchan said: »
Quaihuiz leg suck. WKR sucks in general, why waste time in that ? The best head would be the TA head / acc head from arkangels (which comes with PDT) : lithelimb cap / felistris mask.
I was about to argue my point, but it's pchan, and I'm sure Tiger knows better.
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By pchan 2014-02-03 08:01:06
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Your point is that you go trophies from WKR and want to make them useful, we got it.
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By Sylph.Peldin 2014-02-03 08:55:21
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pchan said: »
we got it.
Who is we? It's not very common that people in this community agree with you is it?

If you're really curious, I suggested Quiahuiz because it's better damage than Manibozho (with capped accuracy) and it's easier to obtain than perfect augs on Otronif.

I suggested Uk'uxkaj Cap because it's more damage than Whirlpool (with capped accuracy) and it's a better Victory Smite helm than Felistras. Oh, and it's also easier to obtain.

Whether an item is useful or not can be subjective to the individual. The two items I mentioned are useful to a lot more people than just me.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2014-02-03 09:47:37
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Some thoughts about PDT- and this point actually exists for every job in the game but MNK being a popular job it is I figure this is a good place to talk about it- I'm actually wondering about how defense has changed because they finally got their ***together about it and decided to not just give us +1 defense every 5 levels or something.

With how much defense the Reforged+1 gives, I think it might be feasible to just drop Skirmish armor as your -DT sets, especially if you don't have the patience to go get -4% on every piece of your Skirmish stuff.

Take Anchorite's Cyclas for example, which has +24 defense over Otronif. Ninja has basically the same PDT setup as MNK, and with that setup I have about 680 defense. +220 from Protectra V makes me 900. An increase of 1% in defense is approximately -1% PDT (it's a bit less when you math it out, but pretty close), so 24/900 is about -2.5% PDT. I guess there's also a side bonus of getting a slight bit more MDB as well when you're not entirely sure what to expect, like AA MR or something.

Naturally Otronif's value goes way up if you have defense boosts up like Minne or something, but unless my math is wrong I'm thinking it's a valid space saving measure. Maybe not quite as big a concern on MNK, but I can think of a lot of jobs that run into that problem still. I'm also thinking it might mean that Arhat's is basically useless now because it's too massive a drop in your defense despite the still-impressive PDT on it.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2014-02-03 09:54:30
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Skirmish armor is headed to level 119 in the next version update in two weeks, so if it works out to be any space saving measure, you'll reap the benefits for only a short time.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2014-02-03 10:02:46
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Derp, guess that's true enough.
 
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By pchan 2014-02-03 12:27:57
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They never mentionned new delve and won't do it again. Last time they did it they destroyed the game balance and half of the server rage quit over their relic becoming junk. Since then they managed to keep people busy 4-5 months I think with a couple of easily-upgradable bcnms . Do you know how many bcnms can be found in FFXI ¿
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2014-02-03 12:31:22
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do you just like being wrong?
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By pchan 2014-02-03 12:33:54
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People have been talking about "new delve" since last July when they nerfed it. It doesn't exist.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2014-02-03 12:38:35
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Same with the last nakuul and the ending of the story line missions.

If content isn't already out, there's NO WAY it will ever come out in the future.
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By Sylph.Systematicchaos 2014-02-03 13:06:52
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New Delve is much like multi-attacks in french calculators: Does not compute.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-02-03 13:37:19
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didn't they already say they're going to lower the #/people required for delve

relax your denial pchan, it'll be ok
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2014-02-03 13:48:58
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Pchan = most idiotic ignorant moron in FFXI history
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