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 Shiva.Siral
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By Shiva.Siral 2013-11-19 08:25:09
Well I assumed it was 119 already since I saw your testing with 119 Vere. So if you had 119 Vere you should have 119 relic. Just didn't realize to call it 119 intead of 99 :P
Edit: also, You were talking about self SCing light during HF. I always thought during 100 fists when you ws it actually slows dps because of the delay after weaponskilling. Am I completely mistaken?
 Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-11-19 08:29:41
Waste of cinder, better used making more daurdabla
By pchan 2013-11-19 08:31:44
I already have 8 songs. Did anyone check if the new AF feet give a decent kick damage ?
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-11-19 08:32:09
Well I assumed it was 119 already since I saw your testing with 119 Vere. So if you had 119 Vere you should have 119 relic. Just didn't realize to call it 119 intead of 99 :P
Edit: also, You were talking about self SCing light during HF. I always thought during 100 fists when you ws it actually slows dps because of the delay after weaponskilling. Am I completely mistaken? Completely mistaken, not wsing is only hurting yourself.
By pchan 2013-11-19 08:34:59
I have recently seen idiot advising not using WS on tojil during formless strikes too, as well as only curaga 3 for WHMs.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-11-19 08:35:38
Well to be fair, with SV Ballads you can literally afk spam curaga3 and win tojil if your stunners don't suck. lol
By pchan 2013-11-19 10:43:54
Anchorite's gaiters seem to be +65 kick DMG (max crit with footwork : 537, max crit without anchorite's : 331), they still seems to be slightly inferior than augmented otronif, but they getting upgraded soon, supposedely...
 Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-11-19 11:03:31
But they also enhance dodge!
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2013-11-19 11:28:50
@ motenten : the AM3 is broken on the ilvl119 glanzfaust, it probably doesn't look for its name when applying AM3 (still works with glansfaust 99).
Actually you forgot the multiattack distribution in glanzfaust 119 definition >_>
Woops. Fixed.
By pchan 2013-11-19 11:56:20
confirming the +65 DMG on anchorite's through two means
1) max crit : 333 without, 528 with. 333/3.15=105.71 ; 538/3.15=170.79. DMG seems to go from 106 to 171, +65.
2) average crit :
with anchorite [534, 526, 535, 513, 529, 514, 528, 535, 511, 463, 432, 534, 522, 518, 537, 530, 505, 529, 538, 532, 535, 520, 517, 505, 537, 514, 538], my pdif model give an average pdif @ capped cratio of 3.0579... => D=169.77
without anchorite [318, 314, 330, 327, 331, 322, 326, 275, 331, 318, 318, 329, 321, 318, 321, 327, 326, 330, 332, 323, 316, 333, 333, 321, 323, 322, 327, 319, 329, 319, 333, 326, 332, 319, 323, 324, 321], gives D=105.68 when averaging : +64.09
3) average non crit : gives 104.29 and 169.64 : +65.35
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By Asura.Ackeronll 2013-11-19 12:30:25
pretty much everything is wrong.
ItemSet 315720
Boor bracelets+buquwik cape
How far behind would Otronif with +1 double attack be behind the +1/2 crit rate?
Also would the Otronif gear still come out ahead of Manibozho with imp down?
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-11-19 12:38:48
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »Is it worth bothering with ddex at all? I was hesitant to use boor bracelets due to the -dex, not sure if any new monsters have agi that's reasonable to get benefits from. I commented on this in my post with a bunch of sets. In the setup I was looking at, you'd need to lose 3% crit from ddex before Boor started losing, which is a pretty wide spread of the ddex range (~30 below the sweet spot range), so I think it's pretty safe to say that Boor are really powerful for fracture bosses due to their high AGI.
By pchan 2013-11-19 14:54:05
The big issue with it the accuracy differential with otronif
otronif +27 dex, +8 acc
Boor -13 dex
so 38 acc difference, 48 if otronif is augmented with 10 acc (=best TP acc piece ,so very useful).
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By pchan 2013-11-20 16:41:27
So I used exact pdif calculation to compare the new gear. If you want to have the SS use exact pdif instead of ratio here is how to do it
Modification of the data sheet , using MNK spreadsheet
H87: pdif1, I87:pdif1c, J87:pdif2, K87 : pdifc2
H88 : =IF( 1,65<Set1CRatio; -0,2562500002+1,138888889*Set1CRatio ; IF(1,5<Set1CRatio;1,309722223-0,8541666666*Set1CRatio+0,6327160494*Set1CRatio^2 ; IF(Set1CRatio>1,25;0,2024691355+0,8225308644*Set1CRatio ; IF( Set1CRatio>0,75;-0,0822530866+1,676697531*Set1CRatio-0,6327160494*Set1CRatio^2 ; 0,218287037+0,3796296294*Set1CRatio+0,7592592591*Set1CRatio^2 ) ) ))
I88 : =IF( 1,65<Set1CRatio; -1,298333333+3,644444444*Set1CRatio-0,7592592593*Set1CRatio^2 ; IF(1,5<Set1CRatio;0,7687499999+1,138888889*Set1CRatio ; IF(Set1CRatio>1,25; 1,622916667+0,5694444444*Set1CRatio; IF( Set1CRatio>0,75;0,9111111111+1,138888889*Set1CRatio ; 1,338194445+0,5694444444*Set1CRatio ) ) ))
J88 : =IF( 1,65<Set2CRatio; -0,2562500002+1,138888889*Set2CRatio ; IF(1,5<Set2CRatio;1,309722223-0,8541666666*Set2CRatio+0,6327160494*Set2CRatio^2 ; IF(Set2CRatio>1,25;0,2024691355+0,8225308644*Set2CRatio ; IF( Set2CRatio>0,75;-0,0822530866+1,676697531*Set2CRatio-0,6327160494*Set2CRatio^2 ; 0,218287037+0,3796296294*Set2CRatio+0,7592592591*Set2CRatio^2 ) ) ))
K88 : =IF( 1,65<Set2CRatio; -1,298333333+3,644444444*Set2CRatio-0,7592592593*Set2CRatio^2 ; IF(1,5<Set2CRatio;0,7687499999+1,138888889*Set2CRatio ; IF(Set2CRatio>1,25; 1,622916667+0,5694444444*Set2CRatio; IF( Set2CRatio>0,75;0,9111111111+1,138888889*Set2CRatio ; 1,338194445+0,5694444444*Set2CRatio ) ) ))
Next define H88,I88,J88,K88 as Set1pdif,Set1pdifc,Set2pdif,Set2pdifc
B105 : =(B98*Set1pdif*(1-B81))+(B98*Set1pdifc*B81*B84)
C105 : =(C98*Set2pdif*(1-C81))+(C98*Set2pdifc*C81*C84)
B106 : =(B99*Set1pdif*(1-B81))+(B99*Set1pdifc*B81*B84)
C106 : =(C99*Set2pdif*(1-C81))+(C99*Set2pdifc*C81*C84)
Weapon skill sheet :
K14: =IF( 1,65<Set1CRatio; -0,2562500002+1,138888889*Set1CRatio ; IF(1,5<Set1CRatio;1,309722223-0,8541666666*Set1CRatio+0,6327160494*Set1CRatio^2 ; IF(Set1CRatio>1,25;0,2024691355+0,8225308644*Set1CRatio ; IF( Set1CRatio>0,75;-0,0822530866+1,676697531*Set1CRatio-0,6327160494*Set1CRatio^2 ; 0,218287037+0,3796296294*Set1CRatio+0,7592592591*Set1CRatio^2 ) ) ))
L14 : =IF( 1,65<Set1CRatio; -1,298333333+3,644444444*Set1CRatio-0,7592592593*Set1CRatio^2 ; IF(1,5<Set1CRatio;0,7687499999+1,138888889*Set1CRatio ; IF(Set1CRatio>1,25; 1,622916667+0,5694444444*Set1CRatio; IF( Set1CRatio>0,75;0,9111111111+1,138888889*Set1CRatio ; 1,338194445+0,5694444444*Set1CRatio ) ) ))
K547 : =IF( 1,65<Set2CRatio; -0,2562500002+1,138888889*Set2CRatio ; IF(1,5<Set2CRatio;1,309722223-0,8541666666*Set2CRatio+0,6327160494*Set2CRatio^2 ; IF(Set2CRatio>1,25;0,2024691355+0,8225308644*Set2CRatio ; IF( Set2CRatio>0,75;-0,0822530866+1,676697531*Set2CRatio-0,6327160494*Set2CRatio^2 ; 0,218287037+0,3796296294*Set2CRatio+0,7592592591*Set2CRatio^2 ) ) ))
L547 : =IF( 1,65<Set2CRatio; -1,298333333+3,644444444*Set2CRatio-0,7592592593*Set2CRatio^2 ; IF(1,5<Set2CRatio;0,7687499999+1,138888889*Set2CRatio ; IF(Set2CRatio>1,25; 1,622916667+0,5694444444*Set2CRatio; IF( Set2CRatio>0,75;0,9111111111+1,138888889*Set2CRatio ; 1,338194445+0,5694444444*Set2CRatio ) ) ))
AFAIK those are the only places where damage is converted into ratio.
formula for W18 to W529 : =G18*$K$10*((1-$L$10)*$K$14+$L$10*$L$14*$M$10)*Set1WSDmg+H18*$K$13*((1-$L$13)*$K$14+$L$13*$L$14*$M$11)+I18*$K$11*((1-$L$11)*$K$14+$L$11*$L$14*$M$11)+E18*$K$12*$L$12*$M$10
formula for W551 to W1062
=G551*$K$543*((1-$L$543)*$K$547+$L$543*$L$547*$M$543)*Set2WSDmg+H551*$K$546*((1-$L$546)*$K$547+$L$546*$L$547*$M$544)+I551*$K$544*((1-$L$544)*$K$547+$L$544*$L$547*$M$544)+E551*$K$545*$L$545*$M$543
Basically, I'm finding quiahuiz inferior to otronif (in all situations that I examied), while with ratio they appear superior (in all situation I examined).
Typical situation that I examine includes some/most of those buffs : Tojil stats, Haste, marchx2, capped acc, minuetx3, dia2, spharai 119, victory smite, impetus, berserk, soulvoice, geo buff, cor buffs.
When I use those legs, I do use celt belt and AF3+2. Also thaumas seems better than AF3+2 anyway so...
Here is a functonnal modified spreadsheet if you care
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7wbcilaHsTeR1pTRDhsRjdlOVU/edit?usp=sharing
By Arcto 2013-11-20 17:23:30
So much math in the last few threads, no comparisons posted DPS wise. Do Qlegs beat out Otronif for TP in any situation or not really? Seeing differing answers.
 Quetzalcoatl.Waffless
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2013-11-21 08:07:07
pretty much everything is wrong.
ItemSet 315720
Boor bracelets+buquwik cape
Just curious, if you're using Boor bracelets then why not use a Pyrosoul over Rajas?
By pchan 2013-11-21 13:21:21
Yes it's better. It's not the best set. Generally nefarious+rancor back is also better.
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Quetzalcoatl.Waffless
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2013-11-21 14:18:43
Was that reply to me? (Pyrosoul over Rajas?) In that set would 2 da or 2 crit Otronif hands be 2nd best (maybe mustela)? Also, if no tp moonshade would the DA set earrings be 2nd best, or 2 str or att earrings?
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By Cerberus.Xinzhiming 2013-11-23 06:07:27
Hey there, thinking about restarting a new character (madness) and play only with MNK. Would manibozho jerkin be a good body till Thaumas? Anyhting else better than those? I've been off for 6 months.
Thanks
By cervelo84 2013-11-23 10:09:00
I was thinking of taking the emp wep to 119. Aftermath would be sick?
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By Odin.Cyprias 2013-11-24 03:19:31
I'd recommend investing time to getting a Tantra Cyclas +2 at the least for Impetus/VS builds.
 Quetzalcoatl.Tanag
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By Quetzalcoatl.Tanag 2013-11-24 20:00:56
Just came back recently and had the Otronif body drop. Does the higher STR and DEX beat the DA on Toci's? Wonder what to use till I get more real gear.
(Yeah I know neither are ideal, its a stop gap while I get back into the swing of things)
Edit: This is in regards to Shijin WS set
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2013-11-25 04:34:02
I know it's been a while since I used my Verethragna but the first thing I noticed after getting 119 was Lv.1 Aftermath having the ability to overwrite itself. Is that effect functioning different than before? I could have sworn AM effects would not overwrite themselves unless it was a stronger tier.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-11-25 04:35:02
AM1 could always overwrite AM1. AM2 and AM3 can't overwrite themselves, though.
 Lakshmi.Zerowone
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2013-11-25 14:50:10
Forgive me, it this seems like a dumb question:
Can DA/TA proc on Victory Smite? I know that Crit+ is main the focus but I couldn't help but notice Epona's Ring in some of the VS builds posted.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-11-25 14:53:31
DA/TA/QA can proc on any physical weaponskill, however every attack round is bound to a hard limit of 8 attacks per round, so you can never exceed an 8 hit weaponskill. That's why you wouldn't use DA/TA/QA on Asuran Fists or Realmrazer or something.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-11-25 14:54:04
DA/TA/QA can proc on any physical melee WS, subject to the 8hits per round cap.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2013-11-25 14:57:41
Thanks I figured as much, I was noticing in a lot of builds people would have -DA, or no DA barring Epona's. Which made me wonder enough to pose the question. Thanks again.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-11-25 14:58:08
negative DA should add a chance to subtract a hit.
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By Odin.Ketsuu 2013-11-26 05:11:55
Anyone know iLVL119 Spharai VS iLVL119 Glanzfaust? I'd imagine Mythic does way better, but has anyone actually tested? How much better is one compared to the other?
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