IiPunch - Monk Guide

if the damage boost applies to both hits then thiy are better than than otronif but only for the impetus build.

fun fact, when switching to spharai its the same type of improvement (+10dps), but with verethragna almost no improvement. But i guess the above formula doesnt work du to the double and tripple procs

yea, I assumed it would not apply to WS due to the previous WAR legs testing but I did forget to exclude kicks (although kicks account for a very little percentage of overall damage (2.57% in my setup). So, trying with applying the boost to punches per round only, it's still a small boost in this [possibly contrived] setup.

Here they are in order:

Quiahuiz	1359.29
Otronif DA+2	1358.61
Otronif Crit+2	1353.75
Otronif DA+1	1352.18
Otronif Crit+1	1349.74

That's with 16% from Fighter's roll.

I don't understand what the bolded 2 is for above. It certainly makes Quiahuiz a lot nicer but is that correct?

nm, I get it now. I was only applying the boost to the DA frequency rather than both hits that resulted from it. Here's the adjusted table:

Quiahuiz	1376.81
Otronif DA+2	1358.61
Otronif Crit+2	1353.75
Otronif DA+1	1352.18
Otronif Crit+1	1349.74

I only have 7 dps difference between

tp : Potestas,Uk'uxkaj,Asperity,Bladeborn,Steelflash,Tantra +2,Otronif,Rajas,Epona,Rancor Max,Cetl,Quiahuiz,Otronif
( DA on otronif)
VS : Potestas,Uk'uxkaj,Rancor Max,Brutal,Moonshade AttTP,Tantra +2,Boor,Rajas,Epona,Buquwik,Caudata,Otronif,Otronif
(DA on otronif)

and the same setup except TP legs are otronif, and all otronif get DA.

If I add a lucky fighter's roll it becomes +25 dps.

If B63 = 1 (100% DA), B64 = B65 = 0 (no TA or QA), F109 = 1.1.

This is like saying that given 100% DA, all punches get a 10% bonus when it's supposed to be 5% as Quiahuiz give a 5% bonus to a double attack and the corresponding primary attack.

B107*B104 is for enspells as well so F109 doesn't apply to this term

My mistake. Thanks CDF. Let's just recalculate everything then

input 1.05 in F109
replace cell B109 by
=2*(B$65*4+(1-B$65)*(3*B$64+(1-B$64)*(2*B$63*F$109+(1-B$63))))*B$105*0,95+G$20*B$87*B$105
only use quiahuiz on set 1, replace F109 by 1 if you don't use quiahuiz, this until motenten fixes stuff.

So the 2 *was* wrong, doh.

And btw, to make the comparisons easier, I just unlocked the sheet and stuck the "quiahuiz DPS" into another field on the main gear page, so it doesn't interfere with the normal DPS number if you're swapping other items around. Makes it easier to flip stuff around.

Update for Quiahuiz pants is uploaded (along with all the new mnk gear). Haven't updated the rest of the spreadsheets with this yet; still working through adding gear (4 others are complete, the rest are partially done).

Thanks and welcome back!

If you care about MNK, Shijin is still better some of the time. If you don't, there's no real reason to keep it.

When is shijin worth using over VS? Just want to make sure I'm using it properly. Besides mobs with crit defense that is.

When you do (eg: with a drk using Resolution) or don't (eg: with other mnks on raptor NM) want to skillchain. Also, depending on the gear available to you, Shijin might do more damage than Smite when Impetus is down.

Shijin is worth using when you wish to inflict a plague upon your foes, murderers and traitors all!

After all, you might have saved her. Now she's gone forever.

I actually keep skillchaining on raptor, never noticed any difference, he still can rape you anytime. I think I died once while farming our 2 ilvl119 relic and empy. I don't go out without my own WHM though.

Yeah, I don't care about skillchaining raptor. Is there any time shijin is offensively better besides crit resist or skillchains?

My own 'best' sets (using Oats) keep showing Shijin as about 1% better than Smite when Impetus is down and attack isn't capped (ie: fighting stuff you're not going to go out of your way to buff up on). Once mobs get a bit weaker (or you're more buffed), such that you're capping attack, it shifts to about 2.5% in favor of Smite. Add Impetus and it moves to about 10% in favor of Smite.

So if that 1% is enough to matter to you, then the answer is "Yes." Personally I'd consider them close enough to tied to not really matter unless one of the other mentioned situations arises (crit resist or skillchains).

Edit: Oh, and because Smite is 4-hit and Shijin is 5-hit, any time you're dealing with overkill damage, Smite will tend to look like it's doing better than Shijin simply due to the hit distribution (rather than actual differences in damage).

Vere 99 requires VS to not suck so the discussion is only relevant for spharai. We all tend to fight mainly during impetus (and that's why you also use berserk). Also mnk is nearly the only DD atm so you are likely to skillchain. You can still skillchain with shijin though, as long as you have VS (both sides). Also I actually self skillchain a lot during hundred fists.

eg : matamata => you dont care
eg : raptor => ~4 minutes fight for my 6 man pt with 2 MNKs as DD.
eg : eft => well idc because the other mnk soloes it while I do the mata.
kurma : I tend to exit and do raptor again because it's quicker...
peiste : see above.

@ motenten : the AM3 is broken on the ilvl119 glanzfaust, it probably doesn't look for its name when applying AM3 (still works with glansfaust 99).

Actually you forgot the multiattack distribution in glanzfaust 119 definition >_>

I self-skillchain very, very frequently using Glanzfaust, with just marches/haste. It's sort of amusing.

Nice~

I Want to see your VS Set tho and what you would Recommend for it.

I did several updates on Armor and doing pretty Decent DMG

"I don't WANT decent, I WANT THE BEST" :D

so plz help me out Jin and gimme an idea on what to work towards next.

Current VS:
ItemSet 315719

I try testing with :

Elemental Gorget
Elemental Belt
Windbuffet Belt
Nef. Collar
Anguinus Belt
Tlamiztli Collar
Cetl Belt

and this was the best DMG output it gave me.

Not sure what else to get to improve WS DMG

pretty much everything is wrong.

ItemSet 315720

Boor bracelets+buquwik cape

To be honest I want more detail about killing that eft "solo" under 6-7 mins(time tha take to prepare matamata), with 3 dds kill it in near 4 mins, 2 dds almost double the time, so one would say probably 10-15 mins

I was killing it in 10 min with 2 MNks before item level >_>

How is Otronif better than Manibozho ? >.>

also the body ? What you doing WS-ing on it?

Spharai 75 ? >.> get it to 99 dude <,< or Oats.

1) Because you can get crit hit rate + as an augment which is extremely helpful.

2) Because with Impetus up it's still your best body for anything that an crit.

3) Knowing Pchan, they're already 99 and should always be assumed as such for sets in this thread because no one (or at least I hope) is stupid enough to use a 75 weapon at 99, much less a R/E/M weapon that hasn't already been upgraded to iLevel 119.

Please stop...
That comment discredits any serious point/question you are trying to make/ask.

Otronif because of Crit+2, I'm assuming, and the body is for when impetus is up but ill leave the full reasoning to the people who understand it better than I.

Pretty sure he is one of the very few people with 99+Afterglow. :P

Is it worth bothering with ddex at all? I was hesitant to use boor bracelets due to the -dex, not sure if any new monsters have agi that's reasonable to get benefits from.

119+afterglow gimplets