IiPunch - Monk Guide

You don't cap attack on tojil and that the only content people do in alliance. In everything else obvisouly you don't cap attack because you don't 18 man skirmish do you so... lulz.

Tojil isn't hard, it doesn't justify to /war on two handers except SAM unless you want to unnecessarily die or gimp your alliance.

The mobs is stun locked, /war or gimp.

good one, bro

/sam is more damage you idiot. Properly buffed people will cap attack on tojil as well.

/drk. Souleater/Hundred Fist that *** to the ground.

j/k though. I know on all the mobs, i cap ranged attack on RNG when fully buffed as /drg and /sam, so i dont see why tou wouldn't as any other job.

Not taking any sides here but for Dark Knight, WAR sub deals more damage but has severe penalties to your survivability. So if you can /WAR and have a Mage *WATCH* you, you'll destroy the world but that's usually a pretty big if.

Evidence Provided: Spreadsheet
DRK/WAR
ItemSet 314501

Souleater Fulltime DPS = 1436.846

DRK/SAM

Same set but changed Senbaak +1 to Senbaak NQ and changed Ammo to Hagneia Stone to gain 55 total STP making it a true 5-hit (need at least 54 STP with a 480 DEL weapon to 5-hit). Changed out 1 of the Pyrosoul Rings to a Rajas Ring so the 5 STP will allow for at least 20 Return TP after WS to make a 5-4. This change increased total DPS by 32 so it's a small loss in WS damage, large gain in total damage.

Resulting DPS DRK/SAM
Souleater Fulltime DPS = 1281.886

Field Results are situational but 154.96 DPS is a very large gap to climb with a simple Meditate + Sekkanoki burst. Which is really the only situation you could pull ahead with SAM sub would be this wave of spike damage but that's really only good for one fight. So an argument could be made that this would be ideal for delve bosses because you could "Prepare" but WAR sub clearly has more muscle

Evidence Provided: LS DRKs
I have spoken with some DRKs in my LS and friends on my server and they all agree that /WAR sub is the best for damage but they also immediately say they never use /WAR because it usually results in death on a biblical scale lol.

I'm not a career DRK, but its looking like WAR sub is the more damaging sub. But I digress, I sincerely apologize to the bystanders of this forum. It was never my intention to bring a DRK, DRG, WAR, any other job discussion into the MNK forums I just wanted to make it clear, that MNK is very strong possibly overpowered right now. DRK is the only job that clearly outdamages MNK at the present moment and they have to go to extremes to do it. They have to sub WAR and ride Souleater where we hardly put ourselves at risk at all. We just sub WAR, eat Red Curry, and smash face lol. Don't even need to berserk usually

Yeah ok, gaining 10% da at the expense of 15STP and 10% haste during LR downtime is a good trade off.


Spoiler: It's not. Your damage goes to ***anytime LR is down and with proper buffers berserk is doing little to nothing for you. Did you seriously use LS DRKs as evidence?

Oversight on my part, the damage does indeed fall off the face of the earth when LR wears off.. goes from 1436 to frigg'n 931.. O.o; Well, that's my foot being placed firmly into my mouth. So DRK only destroys the world with WAR Sub + Souleater + LR are up, any other times, it's actually a shitty sub. Glad you pointed that out, Dram.

With that, MNK doesnt appear to have a rival at this current moment. We'll have to see when R/M/E's are fixed and Empy WSs are unlockable lol

It was great in the VW era, but /war became very pointless for almost anything after that. The whole /war thing was only even relevant when fights took a few minutes even too.

Do you use berserk and impetus together?
To equalize the dmg we usually use impetus then berserk and vice versa.

Obviously you use them at the same time. Not because it's a dps boost - the difference is barely existent- but because it's smarter : no recast headache.

Tonight on Discovery Channel:

"Geomancer: this unknown creature".

Sorry but knowing you, who you play with, and what you just said...how can you say that when you never beat Mano or Shanian Monks in Legion on DRK? just sayin :P

The job simulation was already made by myself and lead to the conclusion that DRK could beat MNK in their bloody dreams. I'm in an ally now and I see 6 mnks. Even though pre adoulin WAR was still good I think this year MNK should win the census easily. I think the most popular jobs are going to be MNK, WHM. I think the main reason MNK was not brought to legion was those LS were to gimp to bring 2x 4 songs BRD. Not a big loss for mnks lol.

nah

You only needed 1 brd to clear 20mob in hall of mul in legion.

Also weren't you supposed to 6man tojil months ago? why are you in alliance ?

I think legion is not a good example : NMs don't last long enough and I think it favors the 5 hits built senbaak DRKs over the MNK even though it's Mano.
For some reason the last few Legion we did parse showed the 2 drks (regan and me) at the top then mnk at the 3rd place. I think you wanted to talk about Delve or tojil probably. I never had the occasion to come DRK to our LS's run since I have senbaak and shanian was generally PLD cause he can hold all the zone.
Only thing I know is their mnks rock though and see them in action made me improve mine a lot.

SAM does just as well, if not better than MNK if the right person is playing. Spreadsheets only assume ideal conditions and I assure that is almost never the case.

I said I wouldn't do it. Farming a popset from outside NMs is boring. If you read carefully I also predicted in june that an 9-man ally of MNK+buff+support with an extra pt of stunners would kill tojil.

Also quote from several months ago


At the time Ccl, Taint, Natenn and Jem were explaining us how WAR would be the best job to bring past august update, or that MNK doesn't win parses against DRK or DRG in delve.


I can predict the future if you want. Noone will do the new delve because oatixur already dropped from tojil. Everyone will move to upgrading RME instead. SE will be forced to do skimish III to keep people playing in adoulin.

Monk Arguements

Sup V; you still playing these days?

I'm not even on XIV anymore, just kinda got bored of all of it. May give XIV a second shot though since I'm locked in at $10/month

One thing is trying to advocate monk is the best dd as you usually do, but pretending there are no other jobs in the game is ridiculous, you alternate good or at least debatable points to complete dumb bs. Not everyone plays only the most op job, hell I main corsair cause I find it fun despite it being the job that no one ever wants to be on.

Assuming for a second new Delve wouldn't be be worthwhile gear-wise, people will still do it as I'm sure they'll be fun battles. With no friends to enjoy it with though, I can see your displeasure, this game must be a perpetual unpleasant grind you feel compelled to continue, there's no fun to be had, ever. I'm glad literally no one else is like Pchan.

Is the new trend to be a complete emo retard about this game? almost every thread i read it's people talking about how either this game is dead, or it's dying, if this is your thought's then why do you people post accordingly to about a game you feel isn't worth playing?...save the negativity for people who care.

This was a thread devoted to gearing MNK, not complaining about Delve, and likeliness of people not continuing it.

On another note it should be interesting to see how Victory Smite plays out with Oat's!

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what?...
my ls did legion with 4 monks AFTER Adoulin came out, and my SAM destroyed all the MNK's on parse, MNK isn't the best job everywhere...DRK still has a place in the game, as does any other job, you listed "MNK & WHM" as most popular jobs, your right because COR, SCH, BRD, RDM aren't important at all. smfh.

It will be worth using with impetus up or if you have crit buffs afaik. Need to run it over spreadsheet again, but the difference between them isn't large outside of impetus.