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By Asura.Taidis 2015-01-14 08:40:08
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So with regards to the new Sirocco, assuming there is one, is the low delay, ilvl 119 what will make it better than Atoyac?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget 2015-01-14 08:42:37
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Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
I can't even pretend to imagine what the Unity portion could be...


pugiunculus

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By Carbuncle.Sisko 2015-01-14 08:42:54
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Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
As long as the dagger EXISTS... big IF lol... KEEPS the 150 delay, and has no stats other than 242 skill and enaero damage, it needs 70 base and it should be better than Atoyac (but you can't ALWAYS use it)... Some things just shouldn't be hit with enspell damage.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget 2015-01-15 00:42:17
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Jugo Kukri +1
DMG:82 Delay:142 ≺Element: Air≻+20
Evasion+22 Magic Accuracy+21
Dagger skill +242
Parrying skill +242
Magic Accuracy skill +188
"Triple Attack"+3%
Additional effect: Wind damage
Unity Ranking: AGI+10-15
THF

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/124717-Jan.-15-2015-Version-Update/page3
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By Asura.Dakenx 2015-01-15 00:43:17
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Someone just posted on BG from this site here is the new Sirocco:

DMG:81 Delay:150 wind resist+15Evasion+22 Magic Accuracy+20 Dagger skill +242 Parrying skill +242 Magic Accuracy skill +188
Triple attack +2% Additional effect: Wind damage Unity Ranking: AGI+10-15

And the +1:
DMG:82 Delay:142 wind resist +20 Evasion+22 Magic Accuracy+21 Dagger skill +242 Parrying skill +242 Magic Accuracy skill +188 Triple Attack +3% Additional effect: Wind damage Unity Ranking:AGI+10-15

Seems pretty amazing wish the unity rank was DEX but 100% figured AGI, seems like the new best offhand I would think.

Credit to: https://github.com/Windower/Resources/commit/5e92688f894b0d0b94665f0a4f4018d17301946c?diff=split
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By Fenrir.Magi 2015-01-15 00:47:28
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When was the last time we had a dagger below 150 delay?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget 2015-01-15 00:49:06
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Fenrir.Magi said: »
When was the last time we had a dagger below 150 delay?


blitto needle

EDIT: Oh, below? Never. This is the first.
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By Fenrir.Magi 2015-01-15 00:49:47
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That's not below 150!
 
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By Asura.Dakenx 2015-01-15 01:07:28
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Fenrir.Magi said: »
When was the last time we had a dagger below 150 delay?
Below 150 delay, extra damage from enaero, and Triple attack +3% is just crazy. I know the original was THF only but man SE giving DNC the shaft not putting them on it don't really understand it.
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By NeboJones 2015-01-15 01:11:36
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Hory Shet

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Ethereal Junction only appears during weather type: gales

Also: Jugo+1/Jugo? For the lulz! THF tanking ftw?
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By Fenrir.Magi 2015-01-15 01:16:50
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Ehh, it's like that with the other NM counterparts too, Dakenx. Look at the new healing staff etc.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget 2015-01-15 01:18:04
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Fenrir.Magi said: »
Ehh, it's like that with the other NM counterparts too, Dakenx. Look at the new healing staff etc.

healing staff was WHM only as well.
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By Asura.Celoria 2015-01-15 01:49:07
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Just got dagger on first fight
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By Leviathan.Tharon 2015-01-15 02:32:36
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Looks like a really strong offhand, but will it outshine my atoyac(Oat/WSD2%)? I'm getting it either way, but still. Also i would like to know where it's viable to use my Khepri Jacket with WSD5% on it? Any help i get, thank you in advance.
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By Selindrile 2015-01-15 02:56:33
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I'm guessing it beats atoyac when the acc pulls it ahead, but you don't need so much acc that you need to use Saebus, but that's completely a guess, I haven't checked the spreadsheets.
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By Asura.Celoria 2015-01-15 03:01:28
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Jugo was already said to be beating the atoyac (wsd/OaT) as for khepri jacket, during stacked the reforge gear gives crit dmg +5% so as for during stacked that body won't touch reforge, as for unstacked, wsdmg is nice to have but up against ilvl gear dex might not win, but I may actually be wrong on that.
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By Asura.Dakenx 2015-01-15 03:27:42
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Fenrir.Magi said: »
Ehh, it's like that with the other NM counterparts too, Dakenx. Look at the new healing staff etc.
Ya, I know that but I just feel like other jobs should be on them. SE lazy keeping the same jobs on them even though they could be used by other jobs. But the whole unity system is lazy and not very thought out so I shouldn't expect them to change it on their 3rd release of NMs. I have DNC 49 and I am a career THF but just find it short-minded that SE kept the weapons this way in today's game I would think they would want more jobs on the weapon, which would appeal to more people, and the content would be done more since more people would benefit from doing the content.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-01-15 04:01:32
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The new Sirocco is better than Atoyac period. In any and all scenario except when you shouldn't be hitting things with magic damage.

Agi+ is a FAIL. But w/e it's still awesome.
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By Boshi 2015-01-15 04:20:09
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Did the fight 6 times with a group of 7. 2 nq daggers, 1 hq dagger, 1 nq staff, 1 hq staff.

Mob seems weak at first, but has this flying move, it usually spams it in a burst of 3+ times. Stun lands but doesnt really stop it just delays. Suggest all melee run sway when they see it, the subsequent hits hit real hard. Aegis pld just ate it other ppl got hit hard. Normal aoe range.

Well equipped rdm couldnt land anything besides dia and stun with geo boost, with geo everything landed. Aegis PLD & rngs googoo
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By Leviathan.Tharon 2015-01-15 04:31:27
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Well Rudra's Storm "procs" him so to speak. you get about 4 sec of him being frozen from it. Got NQ dagger on First kill, just wings to go now. Good hunting.
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By Asura.Taidis 2015-01-15 04:49:11
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Leviathan.Tharon said: »
Looks like a really strong offhand, but will it outshine my atoyac(Oat/WSD2%)? I'm getting it either way, but still. Also i would like to know where it's viable to use my Khepri Jacket with WSD5% on it? Any help i get, thank you in advance.
Playing around with the spreadsheet, Khepri wins unstacked until you get to a body with 32 DEX, stacked it loses outright to even 109 reforged AF body.
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By Leviathan.Tharon 2015-01-15 04:50:46
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Well Dread Jupon has 37DEX so i guess it's dead for everything but coro and regen idle body.
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By Asura.Taidis 2015-01-15 04:53:43
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Leviathan.Tharon said: »
Well Dread Jupon has 37DEX so i guess it's dead for everything but coro and regen idle body.
Yeah, all depends on the player but I'd expect someone who is able to get Khepri +1 to already have a 32+ dex body, 119 AF, 119 Relic and Dread Jupon cover that requirement.
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By Ragnarok.Luloo 2015-01-15 07:24:43
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So as a mandau owner and totally bad at maths this means i should toss it and tp now on with izh/new dagger+1?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-01-15 07:38:32
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Leviathan.Tharon said: »
Well Dread Jupon has 37DEX so i guess it's dead for everything but coro and regen idle body.

It's not best for coro either. It's a regen piece.
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By Asura.Taidis 2015-01-15 07:54:19
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Ragnarok.Luloo said: »
So as a mandau owner and totally bad at maths this means i should toss it and tp now on with izh/new dagger+1?
Pretty much, just chucked both daggers in the DPS spreadsheet to compare, Mandau wins on TP phase but when you factor in WS, Izh comes out on top.
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By Ragnarok.Luloo 2015-01-15 08:04:06
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Asura.Taidis said: »
Ragnarok.Luloo said: »
So as a mandau owner and totally bad at maths this means i should toss it and tp now on with izh/new dagger+1?
Pretty much, just chucked both daggers in the DPS spreadsheet to compare, Mandau wins on TP phase but when you factor in WS, Izh comes out on top.

Ok i understabd but what in terms on tp gain? Would the lower delay of mandau makes ws more frequent? If so i'd rather lose a few points on ws to do actually mores! Thx for help
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-01-15 08:09:31
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The base damage, and the 15 dex is so drastic of an improvement on Rudra that it completely outweighs the white damage gains for Mandau.
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By likard 2015-01-15 08:27:58
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Just curious about new daggers' additional effect. Is it 100% proc rate? How much is the additional damage? Is it different between nq and hq?
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