For The Shinies! A Guide For Thief
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For the Shinies! A Guide for Thief
As in, almost never useful.
Ok thanks! Disappointing but makes sense I was just hopeful
Asura.Dakenx said: » I was just hopeful You must be new. SE gave us stupidly awesome 119 AF1, which is extrememly out of character for them. Other than 119 AF3+2 hands, expect nothing for the next 3 years. Crossing fingers on relic +1 body
Bismarck.Ihina said: » Asura.Dakenx said: » I was just hopeful You must be new. SE gave us stupidly awesome 119 AF1, which is extrememly out of character for them. Other than 119 AF3+2 hands, expect nothing for the next 3 years. Relic feet +1 are pretty amazing also but I get what you mean & you are probably right. I love people ask them for THF to be a better DD and they still come out and talk about how they have plans to give THF more hate control tools. Anyone messed around with Vajra on test server recently? 15 days till my Vajra will be finished and I'm spreadsheeting Mandalic Stab sets now. Just curious if anyone has some insights or thoughts regarding usage/sets on my troll toy.
Leviathan.Syagin said: » Crossing fingers on relic +1 body You can kinda predict how the stats are gonna turn out by comparing the trends between 109 to 119 for other AF/relic, and then what's on the 109 body. It'll probably look close to this: DEF:132 HP+59 MP+44 STR+30 DEX+31 VIT+24 AGI+34 INT+23 MND+23 CHR+23 Evasion+49 Magic Evasion+64 "Magic Def. Bonus"+6 Haste+4% Enmity+7 Critical hit rate +4% Critical hit damage +4% Augments "Ambush" effect Things of interest:
Quote: Plunderer's Vest +1 DEF:132 HP+59 MP+44 STR+31 DEX+36 VIT+24 AGI+35 INT+23 MND+23 CHR+23 Evasion+49 Magic Evasion+64 "Magic Def. Bonus"+6 Haste+4% Enmity+7 Critical hit rate +4% Critical hit damage +3 Plunderer's Culottes +1 Quote: DEF:110 HP+47 STR+32 DEX+11 VIT+19 AGI+23 INT+33 MND+20 CHR+14 Accuracy+15 Evasion+38 Magic Evasion+69 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Haste+6% Enmity+7 "Gilfinder"+3 Probably mega boss drops Quote: Umbani Cap DEF:101 HP+36 MP+23 STR+20 DEX+24 VIT+20 AGI+24 INT+20 MND+20 CHR+21 Ranged Accuracy+25 Ranged Attack+15 Evasion+44 Magic Evasion+53 "Magic Def. Bonus"+2 Haste+8% Magic Damage+5 Quote: Ighwa Trousers DEF:111 HP+47 STR+34 VIT+16 AGI+20 INT+30 MND+17 CHR+11 Accuracy+15 Evasion+53 Magic Evasion+69 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Haste+6% "Subtle Blow"+7 Enemy critical hit rate -3% MNK, THF, RNG, NIN, BLU, COR, PUP, DNC, RUN Probably Augmentable gear: Quote: Qaaxo Mask DEF:100 HP+36 MP+23 STR+15 DEX+19 VIT+15 AGI+22 INT+15 MND+15 CHR+16 Evasion+49 Magic Evasion+53 "Magic Def. Bonus"+2 Haste+8% "Subtle Blow"+5 Qaaxo Harness DEF:130 HP+59 MP+64 STR+19 DEX+24 VIT+21 AGI+23 INT+20 MND+20 CHR+20 Evasion+59 Magic Evasion+64 "Magic Def. Bonus"+6 Haste+4% "Triple Attack"+2% Qaaxo Mitaines DEF:88 HP+25 STR+8 DEX+30 VIT+29 INT+9 MND+27 CHR+14 Accuracy+10 Ranged Accuracy+10 Evasion+24 Magic Evasion+37 "Magic Def. Bonus"+4 Haste+5% Qaaxo Tights DEF:112 HP+47 STR+24 VIT+13 AGI+15 INT+27 MND+14 CHR+8 Evasion+45 Magic Evasion+69 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Haste+6% "Subtle Blow"+5 Qaaxo Leggings DEF:70 HP+13 STR+9 DEX+21 VIT+9 AGI+27 MND+9 CHR+27 Accuracy+5 Ranged Accuracy+5 Evasion+77 Magic Evasion+69 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Haste+4% "Store TP"+3 Necks: Quote: Iqabi Necklace HP+10 Element: Ice-10 Accuracy+13 Ranged Accuracy+13 All Jobs Waist: Quote: Chaac Belt DEF:13 DEX+5 AGI+5 CHR+5 "Treasure Hunter"+1 All Jobs Earring: Quote: Kuwunga Earring STR+2 DEX+2 "Madrigal": Attack+17 All Jobs Probably augmentable dagger: Quote: Sabebus DMG:101 Delay:196 AGI+4 Evasion+27 Dagger skill +242 Parrying skill +242 Magic Accuracy skill +188 WAR, THF, PLD, DRK, BRD, RNG, SAM, NIN, DRG, COR, PUP, DNC Craft dagger: Quote: Nanti Knife DMG:100 Delay:195 DEX+5 Evasion+19 Dagger skill +215 Parrying skill +215 Magic Accuracy skill +167 "Subtle Blow"+3 WAR, THF, PLD, DRK, BRD, RNG, SAM, NIN, DRG, COR, PUP, DNC Nanti Knife +1 DMG:101 Delay:190 DEX+6 Evasion+20 Dagger skill +228 Parrying skill +228 Magic Accuracy skill +177 "Subtle Blow"+4 WAR, THF, PLD, DRK, BRD, RNG, SAM, NIN, DRG, COR, PUP, DNC Ammo: Quote: Inlamvuyeso Accuracy+10 DEF:+10 MNK, THF, RNG, BLU, COR, PUP, DNC, RUN Holy poop(ammo): Quote: Yetshila Critical hit rate +1% Critical hit damage +5 WAR, RDM, THF, DRK, NIN, COR, RUN Yetshila +1 Critical hit rate +2% Critical hit damage +6 WAR, RDM, THF, DRK, NIN, COR, RUN http://bg-wiki.com/bg/March_2014_Version_Update_Changes THF: M.Eva added to Perfect Dodge (+3), Increased DEX Bonus of Sneak Attack (+1%) http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/120445-Job-Points-discussion Between this and the ammo, I am pleased.
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That ammo is definitely a worthy contender to replace the venerable raider's boomerang, especially considering how much crit rate / crit damage gear we're getting with the AF/relic upgrades. I would guess (just completely off the top of my head) that it would be far more useful in party situations, where you already have lots of magic haste and may be near a delay cap.
For solo farming though, I'm going to stick to the boomerang just so I have an easy pulling method. Also, relevant TH notes: SE said: Upper limits of Treasure Hunter including the total of bonuses provided by equipment, atma, and job abilities. Thief Treasure Hunter +8 * The limit will be raised to +12 as normal when under the increased Treasure Hunter effects granted through thief autoattacks, Sneak Attack, Trick Attack, and the ranger ability Bounty Shot. It is also nice of SE to tell us what the TH cap from proc'ing is. I haven't touched the Raider's Boomerang in months. It's been all Honed Tathlum + Qirmiz Tathlum. Starting to consider getting rid of my normal TP set. These days, it's either full acc or pdt/mdt gear.
Bismarck.Ihina said: » Plunderer's Culottes +1 Quote: DEF:110 HP+47 STR+32 DEX+11 VIT+19 AGI+23 INT+33 MND+20 CHR+14 Accuracy+15 Evasion+38 Magic Evasion+69 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Haste+6% Enmity+7 "Gilfinder"+3 The bad part is that on content where you really need heavy acc, you probably don't want that Enmity+7 on while you TP unless you feel like THF tanking (I'm guessing you don't!) AF119 or Kaabnax seem like they might be a better choice when you want Acc given the circumstances. AGI (slightly less than Nahtirah) and STR (slightly more than Nahritah) and Accuracy: Exenterator or Mercy Stroke piece? Especially TA+WS for the Enmity transfer. It seems like a pretty niche piece though. Prob gonna leave mine at 109 for a while (gogo Feint augment). Enmity doesn't matter since you should be hitting hate cap very fast regardless. If you're concerned about hitting hate cap, you might as well wear weaker gear or not WS all together. No one ever advocated using Novia Earring for their WS set.
And Pillager legs+1 for anything Mercy Stroke, and that won't change for a long, long time.
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with this new TH belt and Initial hit Cap at 8, is this enough incentive to toss thief's knife.
or are you still going to TP til you hit 12. From BG:
Yetshila/+1 [CLOTHCRAFT 111~113, Bonecraft] Wind Crystal, Animal Glue, Waktza Rostrum, Waktza Crest Sylph.Feary said: » with this new TH belt and Initial hit Cap at 8, is this enough incentive to toss thief's knife. or are you still going to TP til you hit 12. me, a few posts ago said: So that means you have TH3 (JA), +1 from raider's poulaines +2, +2 from assassin's armlets +2, +1 from thief's knife, and +1 from the new Chaac Belt We can toss the knife when we get one more TH bonus from a non-dagger source, beyond the belt that we just got. When that is the case, you can use entirely non-dagger equipment to start at the equipment/JA cap of TH8, and you can choose your dagger selection in order to maximize TH proc chances or damage at your leisure. Bismarck.Ihina said: » Enmity doesn't matter since you should be hitting hate cap very fast regardless. If you're concerned about hitting hate cap, you might as well wear weaker gear or not WS all together. No one ever advocated using Novia Earring for their WS set. Eh, guess you're right. Even so, if given a choice between (1) hitting hate cap very fast versus (2) hitting hate cape +7 enmity faster, I'll go with the first one. Wish they'd just give up with the enmity+ gear already, the legs would be nicer as just a heavy acc piece without that extra stat. Except that's not the choice.
There aren't just two choices; it's a sliding scale More enmity/more damage --- meh enmity/meh damage --- low enmity/low damage. There's nothing special about the spot in the middle that you insist on taking because you can continue to slide to the right. If you're really concerned about enmity, WS in -enmity gear and do lousy damage. I'm really not that concerned with enmity+. I'd just rather not have it on the piece instead of S-E clinging to the useless "THF has enmity tools" line. Really not that big of a deal though, it's not why I or anyone else is making the THF DD gear selections they do.
But are you saying Plunderer+1 are BETTER than Pillager+1? Really, for what? And if that's not what you're saying... who cares about this sliding scale. Just don't use Plunderer, except for maybe the very rare situations where you really need a max acc build on THF. Pretty sure I said the complete opposite a few posts back.
The sliding scale was a hypothetical that was following your nonsense logic when you said this Quote: Even so, if given a choice between (1) hitting hate cap very fast versus (2) hitting hate cape +7 enmity faster, I'll go with the first one. In fact, you were the one who suggested that Plunderer might be better. Quote: AGI (slightly less than Nahtirah) and STR (slightly more than Nahritah) and Accuracy: Exenterator or Mercy Stroke piece? Especially TA+WS for the Enmity transfer. You are literally trying to call me out for a statement that you and only you made, and that I specifically rebutted against. Yandaime said: » Shiva.Alistrianna said: » Looked around at the pages you quoted and it showed one confirmed path for Tinhaspa of: Accuracy+15, DEX+12, DMG+5 This likely means the STR Path is similar so Im guessing Attack+15, STR+12, DMG+5 This officially marks the death of Oatixur having a higher Damage than Oatixur and better stats on either path. Fair well my friend, you have indeed served me well T.T Oatixur DMG after Maths = 202 Tinhaspa DMG Naked = 199 Tinhaspa Augmented = 204 As for which path to chose, I did not see what the 3rd path is on that post Alistrianna provided but for now, I would recommend having both lol <.<; Use DEX/Acc Path for anything that has HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE Amounts of Evasion, such as AAs or the Yorcia Tier IV NM or the Tier V Khamir Drifts NM after It has leveled up 2 or 3 times O.o; Use STR/Attack Path for anything that doesn't dodge the IRS to completely destroy it. Both of these have more Accuracy than Oatixur so you cant really go wrong on either end but even the guys that own Spharai will want to take note that the DEX path has a total of +29 Accuracy So any serious MNKs will probably need these. Quoted from MNK forum, assuming same augment paths for dagger as well. I wonder if the dagger comes from t4 or t5, it's Marjami from my understanding
EDIT: from GW, A15:  Bismarck.Ihina said: » You are literally trying to call me out for a statement that you and only you made, and that I specifically rebutted against. You're trying to build nothing into a fight. I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't think you understood what I was trying to say about enmity, but maybe it's my fault for not being clear enough. You said THF will cap enmity fast through TP no matter what. I agree! I just added that since you're already capping enmity quickly, you'll get to that point even faster if your gear has enmity+ (all other stats being equal). That's all. I was just tossing out some questions/possibilities of situations off the top of my head where Plunderer +1 legs might be worth considering, for conversation. You shot down Mercy Stroke pretty quickly, and you're probably right! Maaaaybe it's still a best option for Exenterator (no crit, multi-hit) when you need acc thanks to the combination of AGI/STR/Acc. That's pretty niche though, and I'm definitely grasping at straws to find a place for Plunderer's legs to fit. More realistically is that it's just not that important to upgrade since the times you'll really need that max acc piece are quite rare. Because you're giving BS 'advise' to an already shrinking talent pool.
And no, you're not just saying it. You're advising it. Going back to this post again. Quote: Even so, if given a choice between (1) hitting hate cap very fast versus (2) hitting hate cape +7 enmity faster, I'll go with the first one. Novice players could easily look at that, think it's a good idea and factor enmity into their sets. Stop with the petty excuses already. You go from throwing out moronic suggestions to accusing me of saying something you said, and now you're trying to play the innocent victim. You're such a pleasant person, that's why I come back.
Just so I don't confuse any novice players, don't factor enmity into your gear choices. All I meant by: Quote: Even so, if given a choice between (1) hitting hate cap very fast versus (2) hitting hate cape +7 enmity faster, I'll go with the first one. is that I wish S-E would stop putting enmity on THF DD gear out of some misguided belief that we care about using THF to manage enmity with TA like people might have in a 2004 era exp party. We swing a dagger really fast. We cap enmity fast already. It would be nice if it took a little longer to do so by not having enmity+ stats on our JSE gear. Oh well, we can deal. And Plunderer+1 legs still aren't that good, unless you're in some situation where you need mega-acc at the cost of the better stats on other pieces (Pillager+1, Quiahuiz, etc.) I like it, personally. I'd up my enmity+ merits from 5 to 10 or higher if I could, and I don't know a single serious melee players who aren't 5/5 enmity. There are only a few select situations where having hate is not a good idea and those are far and few between to mold your character around.
And Plunderer+1 legs are still good since it has the highest acc for the slot, unless you can get higher with the new delve leg augments. There are plenty of things where you won't cap hit rate unless you're super buffed, and you're not always super buffed. Btw, in case you haven't noticed, SE didn't 'put' enmity+ on them. 119 AF2 is based off of AF2, and AF2 legs already had a high amount of enmity on them already. Following up on Qaaxo augments:
Cairthenn from BG forums Quote: Qaaxo Head A:Att+15, Eva+15, DA+2 B:Acc+15, STR+7, PDT-3 C:Att+15, STR+12, STP+3 Body: A: Att+15 Eva+15, DA+2 B: Acc+15, STR+7, PDT-3 C: Acc+15, Pet Att+20, Pet: Acc+20 Hands: A: Att+15, Eva+15, DA+2 B: Acc+15, STR+7, PDT-3 C: Rng.Atk+15, STP+3, Snapshot+3 Legs: A: Att+15, Eva+15, DA+2 B: Acc+15, STR+7, PDT-3 C: HP+75, M.Eva+15, PDT-5 Feet: A: Att+15, Eva+15, DA+2 B: Acc+15, STR+7, PDT-3 C: Att+15, MAB+15, STR+12 Neat. So 21STR feet if I'm reading this right, that's probably new best Mercy Stroke feet. New highest acc for hands/feet without needing to trade off pdt. So it's not all useless. Makes me feel like I've wasted a lot of time doing skirmish3.
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