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 Siren.Kalilla
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-03-15 13:27:55
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Drjones said: »
Anyone have TL;DR version of the enmity stuff that's being planned?

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We will make the initial adjustments that we discussed in the post about enmity. If the target is level 51 or higher, the enmity generated will be reduced in proportion to damage dealt. If the level of the target is higher than 99, it will be reduced to about 30% of the amount before the adjustment (the current value). At the same time, we will also adjust the spell Cure V so that it generates less enmity.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-15 13:29:25
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Drjones said: »
Anyone have TL;DR version of the enmity stuff that's being planned?
Matsui does

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If the target is level 51 or higher, the enmity generated will be reduced in proportion to damage dealt. If the level of the target is higher than 99, it will be reduced to about 30% of the amount before the adjustment (the current value). At the same time, we will also adjust the spell Cure V so that it generates less enmity.

edit: me and Kali think alike.
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By Drjones 2013-03-15 13:31:44
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So basically damage will have diminishing returns in terms of CE? I guess that's a start.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-03-15 13:33:18
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Conditional rules are exactly what we need, to make the game even more erratic!
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2013-03-15 13:35:54
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Drjones said: »
Anyone have TL;DR version of the enmity stuff that's being planned?
Damage will do 70% less enmity than it does currently.

And they might adjust Cure V enmity as well.
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By Enuyasha 2013-03-15 13:36:09
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Drjones said: »
So basically damage will have diminishing returns in terms of CE? I guess that's a start.
if the mob is level 51 or higher it will received reduced damage taken:enmity formed
if the mob is level 99+ it will also receive 30% less of the current enmity system gains
Cure V is going to be almost hateless.

so if a mob is 51~99 it will only receive less enmity from a 10000 damage Resolution. If a mob is 99~ it will receive the previous bonus + 30% reduced enmity gain.

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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-15 13:38:02
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Doesn't it say reduced to 30% of previous amount and not by? Meaning 70% reduction?
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-03-15 13:38:36
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That's how I read it.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2013-03-15 13:40:50
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Doesn't it say reduced to 30% of previous amount and not by? Meaning 70% reduction?
Reduced to 30% and reduced by 70% means the same thing.

:/

Edit: oh, your comment was directed at the other guy. My apologies.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-15 13:41:58
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Yeah, that's what I said...but poster above me said reduced by 30%.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2013-03-15 13:47:10
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Reading off my phone with a small screen, so I missed their post. Sorry about that.

Basically, this is my stance on the enmity change:
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Oh boy, now it will take 30 secs to hit cap instead of 10.
ie nothing will really change.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-15 13:50:15
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Paladin is gonna do less shitty damage now at least, so maybe it won't be that bad. If sch and thf are used properly for their JAs it might help even more. Guess we shall wait and see.
Specifically the new 30min sch ja is basically an enmity wipe for all the party in favour of the tank. If we don't have to zerg the hell out of everything it might work.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-15 13:57:07
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
If we don't have to zerg the hell out of everything it might work.

We don't have to now, there's just no reason not to.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-15 13:57:51
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Awesome semantics, you know what I mean.
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By Enuyasha 2013-03-15 13:58:07
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Paladin is gonna do less shitty damage now at least, so maybe it won't be that bad. If sch and thf are used properly for their JAs it might help even more. Guess we shall wait and see.
Specifically the new 30min sch ja is basically an enmity wipe for all the party in favour of the tank. If we don't have to zerg the hell out of everything it might work.
accession perpetuance minuo -> everyone but tank
Perpetuance Celerity/Penury augeo -> tank
Libra
"new 2 hour" when necessary

buff as normal otherwise :<

Newbrava might even be for the benefit of PLDtanking
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-03-15 13:58:21
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OP has been updated with missing news posts
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-15 14:01:16
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Awesome semantics, you know what I mean.

There's actually a difference, nobody is forcing the playerbase to zerg everything, in fact they enable it through crap mechanics and tools like pd. These changes are only useful if we can't zerg stuff. Cause if it can, people will, and emnity means nothing.
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By Enuyasha 2013-03-15 14:01:43
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Yeah, that's what I said...but poster above me said reduced by 30%.
i didnt say reduced to or by but

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it will be reduced to about 30% of the amount before the adjustment (the current value)

SE says "to about" 30% of the amount before the readjust. Where does this "70%" you guys are talking about come from?
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2013-03-15 14:02:20
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They *** nerfed Twilight Scythe, lol.
Otherwise, I see a lot of good news in that post... except the Legion bit. Proccing again...?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-15 14:03:50
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Enuyasha said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Yeah, that's what I said...but poster above me said reduced by 30%.
i didnt say reduced to or by but

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it will be reduced to about 30% of the amount before the adjustment (the current value)

SE says "to about" 30% of the amount before the readjust. Where does this "70%" you guys are talking about come from?
Reduced by 30% is one thing.
Reduced TO 30% of the previous amount means by 70%.
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By Enuyasha 2013-03-15 14:05:08
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Enuyasha said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Yeah, that's what I said...but poster above me said reduced by 30%.
i didnt say reduced to or by but

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it will be reduced to about 30% of the amount before the adjustment (the current value)

SE says "to about" 30% of the amount before the readjust. Where does this "70%" you guys are talking about come from?
Reduced by 30% is one thing.
Reduced TO 30% of the previous amount means by 70%.
Where does the other 40% come from though, irconfuzzled :(
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By Fenrir.Camaroz 2013-03-15 14:06:16
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we will also adjust the spell Cure V so that it generates less enmity

I already thought it was low, am I missing something?
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By Phoenix.Brixy 2013-03-15 14:06:35
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100 - 70 = 30
math is hard.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-03-15 14:07:15
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Phoenix.Dabackpack said: »
They *** nerfed Twilight Scythe, lol.
Here is the original post they are talking about:
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-15 14:07:21
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Not sure if troll or illiterate.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-03-15 14:07:59
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Fenrir.Camaroz said: »
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we will also adjust the spell Cure V so that it generates less enmity

I already thought it was low, am I missing something?
They lowered it before, and they're going to do it again.

Why? idk...
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By Enuyasha 2013-03-15 14:08:57
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Phoenix.Brixy said: »
100 - 70 = 30
math is hard.
yea, but where we dealing 100% enmity with the current amount...

This is where i was confused. Explaining without being a douchefuck is hard too.

edit: i just wanted to know where the numbers were coming from. That was it.
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By Fenrir.Camaroz 2013-03-15 14:09:12
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Fenrir.Camaroz said: »
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we will also adjust the spell Cure V so that it generates less enmity

I already thought it was low, am I missing something?
They lowered it before, and they're going to do it again.

Why? idk...

ok ty kali :)
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-03-15 14:10:27
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Fenrir.Camaroz said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Fenrir.Camaroz said: »
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we will also adjust the spell Cure V so that it generates less enmity

I already thought it was low, am I missing something?
They lowered it before, and they're going to do it again.

Why? idk...

ok ty kali :)
I think they just want to go over everything for jobs that aren't tanks, since they won't be raising the cap for tank jobs.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-03-15 14:12:22
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Them nerfing twilight scythe was pretty stupid. Also when does this go live? I want to go back to *** BR already to get my sune-ate!:(
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