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By SimonSes 2021-01-13 14:14:10
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Heghmoh said: »
I compared some numbers and basically if you were TPing in Cessance, Brutal, and Aurg Orb+1, and you are able to r20 augment the new Earring and Ammo, you lose 1stp and gain +19acc, +15atk, +2 DA, +3SB, and +3STR

I think I dont get it. Cessance, Brutal, and Aurg Orb+1 have 8% DA total. Switching Ammo alone is +3DA. Switching earring is another 1 or 3DA (depends which earring you plan to switch). So it cant be +2DA total gain after switching both?
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By JezeyX206 2021-01-13 18:10:39
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What is you guys up to date king's Justice ws set ?
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By Heghmoh 2021-01-15 11:32:28
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SimonSes said: »
Heghmoh said: »
I compared some numbers and basically if you were TPing in Cessance, Brutal, and Aurg Orb+1, and you are able to r20 augment the new Earring and Ammo, you lose 1stp and gain +19acc, +15atk, +2 DA, +3SB, and +3STR

I think I dont get it. Cessance, Brutal, and Aurg Orb+1 have 8% DA total. Switching Ammo alone is +3DA. Switching earring is another 1 or 3DA (depends which earring you plan to switch). So it cant be +2DA total gain after switching both?

Cessance Earring:
ACC 6, DA 3, STP 3
Brutal:
DA 5, STP 1
Aurg Orb:
STR/DEX/VIT+7, ATK+10, STP +5
Total: ACC+6, ATK+10, DA+8, STP+9, STR/DEX/VIT+7

Schere
DA +6, SB +3, STR+ 5 (AUGMENT: ACC +15, ATK+5?)
Telos
Acc+10, ATK+10, DA+1, STP+5
Coiste
DA+3, STP+3 (AUGMENT: ATK +15, STR +5?)
Total: ACC: 25, ATK: 30, DA: 10, STP: 8, SB: 3, STR: 10

Dif:
ACC+19, ATK+20, DA+2, STP-1, STR+3, DEX/VIT-7, SB+3
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By malakef 2021-01-15 12:04:42
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Oh you did a terrible switch over to the telos that’s why. Id probably do schere with either brutal, Cessance, or dedition in that order before falling to telos if using Vim torque and FR down. If FR up then you go schere dedition most likely. Actually it all changes ever so slightly depending on if using Chango or fencer builds and what your augments are but telos is almost never the choice.
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By Heghmoh 2021-01-15 12:43:52
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I guess it really depends on where you land with Double attack / stp / accuracy thresholds, but yes. I almost always have a COR for Fighters, so with the gear i have and ussing shere/telos I am at 103% DA. So, actually a bit above. Brutal is a loss, Cessance is also a loss, Dedition may be better if I'm over acc cap.
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By Fairy.Khory 2021-01-15 15:45:10
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As a WAR/DRG for Savage blade:

I am currently using

Hjarrandi Breastplate
Sulevia's Gloves

In my Tp set. I think that there are better alternative / combinations out there, but not so sure on what to look for.

Currently i have 50 DA, should I be aiming for 65 (and effectively 100% DA rate)?

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By Spaitin 2021-01-16 18:00:15
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page 183 has a list of recommended TP sets. 2hand and fencer tp sets are the same.
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By SimonSes 2021-01-17 04:19:11
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Heghmoh said: »
I guess it really depends on where you land with Double attack / stp / accuracy thresholds, but yes. I almost always have a COR for Fighters, so with the gear i have and ussing shere/telos I am at 103% DA. So, actually a bit above. Brutal is a loss, Cessance is also a loss, Dedition may be better if I'm over acc cap.

Would be good to mention Telos in your first post tho You only said
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if you were TPing in Cessance, Brutal, and Aurg Orb+1, and you are able to r20 augment the new Earring and Ammo, you lose 1stp and gain +19acc, +15atk, +2 DA, +3SB, and +3STR
which doesnt have sense without mentioning Telos.

Also if you compare stats like that, you should also add att and acc from DEX/STR

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Cessance Earring:
ACC 6, DA 3, STP 3
Brutal:
DA 5, STP 1
Aurg Orb:
STR/DEX/VIT+7, ATK+10, STP +5
Total: ACC+10~11, ATK+17, DA+8, STP+9, STR/DEX/VIT+7

Schere
DA +6, SB +3, STR+ 5 (AUGMENT: ACC +15, ATK+5?)
Telos
Acc+10, ATK+10, DA+1, STP+5
Coiste
DA+3, STP+3 (AUGMENT: ATK +15, STR +5?)
Total: ACC: 25, ATK: 38, DA: 10, STP: 8, SB: 3, STR: 10

Dif:
ACC+14~15, ATK+21, DA+2, STP-1, STR+3, DEX/VIT-7, SB+3

According to you, you switch 101%DA to 103%DA, so you get nothing here. So mostly you get some acc, att and SB+3 at cost of 1sTP. Its not a bad trade I guess (assuming you are not at an att and acc cap already, because then it is a bad trade), but keep in mind you will need like 200 000 segments and 66 NM kills at V15 to augment those two pieces and without those augments you are at an acc and att loss actually.
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By Heghmoh 2021-01-17 07:13:26
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Fair enough
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By Lili 2021-01-17 09:39:08
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Question on Unit Rankings, did we ever figure out what the bonus value formulas were? As in, what's the difference between Rank 1 or Rank 2 for something like Tatenashi gote +1?

I don't think we ever did, but also most of those seem kinda... arbitrary, in how they grow with rank. The only consistent behavior has been that you only get the maximum value at Rank 1, then it goes down from there.
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By Bahamut.Yiazmat 2021-01-17 16:52:18
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Spaitin said: »
War TP sets
ItemSet 375440
ItemSet 375415
ItemSet 367125
ItemSet 375308

if no buffs

ItemSet 375439
for DT
ItemSet 367123
ItemSet 375441

MEVA TP set. surprisingly good.
ItemSet 375369

Fighters hybrid has a lot of wiggle room.

Upheaval set.
ItemSet 367495


Whats the replacement for Tatenashi body incase you dont own it ?
Edit. Still Valo body or Hja body then if no Tate body ?
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By Spaitin 2021-01-17 18:53:12
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The NQ sets are used if you don't have the HQ set. Labled in the sets title
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By Bahamut.Yiazmat 2021-01-17 18:57:01
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OK but if i miss only body to complete HQ set, can i keep Valo body
Or should i use something else ?
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By Spaitin 2021-01-17 18:57:55
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use the val body. Odyssean body works well too. So does flamma.
 
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By Bahamut.Yiazmat 2021-01-21 06:44:54
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1. Fill all the others slots with as much macc as possible

2. Kings Justice is same as Upheaval afaik, but you need STR instead of VIT on Odyssean, and replace Gela +1 with Niqmaduu or Regal ring or anything that got STR att or wsd, also there is the new Odysee ring.

3. Good luck
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By Spaitin 2021-01-21 13:13:43
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ItemSet 366565
This is for breaks and shockwave.

Gelatinous ring +1 is much easier to get than Kari+1. It is really good. Use niq and kari for KJ. There you can use val instead of odyssean? But that puts you in the same place. Maybe tatenashi hands and pummeler's legs would work decent.

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3) Can someone just make a new WAR guide? The OP is pretty bad.
I am willing and have most of the sets together. I just don't know how to make a guide. The people I have asked havn't responded.

Edit** anyone got a good name for a new war guide?
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By Spaitin 2021-01-21 15:21:08
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Alright, Big thanks to Falkirk. He pointed me in the right direction for making a guide. It probably won't be pretty, but I am going to make a rather large gear and strategy guide for war. Gimme a couple weeks.
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By Cerberus.Caius 2021-01-21 15:37:11
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Spaitin said: »
Alright, Big thanks to Falkirk. He pointed me in the right direction for making a guide. It probably won't be pretty, but I am going to make a rather large gear and strategy guide for war. Gimme a couple weeks.

if only i could up vote this 100 times :p
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By Cerberus.Caius 2021-01-23 15:50:09
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So when it comes to Upheaval, how much TP does everyone aim for to be most effective? I currently dont have Chango but i have Lycurgos, being a taru my HP in my WS set would be around 2250(immediately after swapping from TP set, so current hp) That would get my 450 TP bonus, close to the 500 bonus of Chango. Adding Moonshade looking at a 700 tp bonus per WS.

With most of the discussion about TP sets having x-hit's or getting TP in x-attack rounds, are you just WSing as soon as possible or is there a sweet spot people aim for to get the most out of Upheaval but still not holding tp too long?
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By zixxer 2021-01-23 17:00:52
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Cerberus.Caius said: »
So when it comes to Upheaval, how much TP does everyone aim for to be most effective? I currently dont have Chango but i have Lycurgos, being a taru my HP in my WS set would be around 2250(immediately after swapping from TP set, so current hp) That would get my 450 TP bonus, close to the 500 bonus of Chango. Adding Moonshade looking at a 700 tp bonus per WS.

With most of the discussion about TP sets having x-hit's or getting TP in x-attack rounds, are you just WSing as soon as possible or is there a sweet spot people aim for to get the most out of Upheaval but still not holding tp too long?

I found dps is best to just spam upheaval when it's ready to connect to a light sc while soloing. When in a group of other dps that is also spamming ws, I just spam when it's up. Fully buffed, that's like every half a sec or so.
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By Spaitin 2021-01-25 15:08:57
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Cerberus.Caius said: »
So when it comes to Upheaval, how much TP does everyone aim for to be most effective?
With Lycurgos and Chango, you should WS as fast as possible.
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By Spaitin 2021-01-31 12:56:45
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Update on the new guide. It is coming along.
Anything anyone wants included in it that might not be super obvious for me to include?
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By Asura.Bippin 2021-01-31 14:17:55
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Ranged attack preshot set
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By Aricomfy 2021-01-31 14:35:22
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For the shits and giggles, Onion Sword III's Fast Blade II Hybrid TP and WS build. Since Fast Blade II is fusion and is essentially another Savage Blade now that it's a two hitter, I'm curious if it'll top Savage Blade spam now that you can do Fast Blade II --> Savage Blade to make a Light Skillchain with it. Dropping Naegling to do it sounds like it might not be worth it though.
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By Spaitin 2021-01-31 14:48:07
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Hmmm.... I never paid any attention to the onion sword III. That is interesting.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2021-01-31 14:54:18
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if it does just 30% of the damage of savage blade's damage, it will be equal in a two step situation barring any resistances to light damage, anything more and it's superior.

100*1.15 + 100*1.15 = x + 100 + 100(skillchain damage)
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