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[Dev] Voidwatch FC Adjustments
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-19 00:38:03
Siren.Fupafighters said: »so how is this going to stop ppl from dropping alliance and start another party with a potential buyer before they add it to the loot pool??
i was hoping to be able to do this, i rather not ticket an item than put it in a pool for the undeserving nubs to win.
we all seen it, always 4-5 noobs/slackers in every shout group that end up going to them most of the time. It's called karma. You never keep your mouth shut in groups. Atleast when others talk, they have a tone that says "I'm trying to be nice". You, you're just rude. You snaped at me for doing tacts/chaos in a struggling group lol.
prolly my bad for having a short temper with u, sorry. i was just already annoyed by everyone bitching about inviting you in the 1st place. Ya because I'm such a hooooorrriiible person because I actually help others out. And I accept criticism and I'm a kind natured person. I should totally not be invited to events. SOrry I don't sit on this game 15 hours a day getting pissed if someone else gets something that you apparently cannot.
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By Siren.Stunx 2012-05-19 00:38:30
Siren.Fupafighters said: »lol sylow. I know :( And noone likes that damn fairy too. Stripping your armor and ***from like 25 yalms away is annoiying.
20* yalms, and its a very easy fight with 1 decent stunner with gear and marches.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-19 00:39:13
Siren.Fupafighters said: »lol sylow. I know :( And noone likes that damn fairy too. Stripping your armor and ***from like 25 yalms away is annoiying.
20* yalms, and its a very easy fight with 1 decent stunner with gear and marches. Like you said asshat "each group has atleast 4-5 noobs".
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By Siren.Stunx 2012-05-19 00:40:49
Siren.Fupafighters said: »Siren.Fupafighters said: »lol sylow. I know :( And noone likes that damn fairy too. Stripping your armor and ***from like 25 yalms away is annoiying.
20* yalms, and its a very easy fight with 1 decent stunner with gear and marches. Like you said asshat "each group has atleast 4-5 noobs".
sorry to hear that :x prolly cuz all the good groups stoped inviting you because of your reputation for being one of those 4-5 noobs.
on that note it prolly is asshatish of me even responding to ur bitterness. im done feeding into it.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-19 00:43:05
Do you even check me ingame lol? I'm one of the few in all the damn groups that uses my temps properly and has proper gear lol. Idk where I come off as a noob lol. I don't die 15x on 1 ocythoe lol. Saying that I'm not competent makes you a moron, because you're constantly on the ground. Amazing.
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By Cerberus.Ustav 2012-05-19 01:29:30
Siren.Fupafighters said: »Do you even check me ingame lol? I'm one of the few in all the damn groups that uses my temps properly and has proper gear lol. Idk where I come off as a noob lol. I don't die 15x on 1 ocythoe lol. Saying that I'm not competent makes you a moron, because you're constantly on the ground. Amazing. rofl.... I see Bungie is still making frens
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By Ragnarok.Amonk 2012-05-19 03:00:09
I monitor the news to see whether I should come back to the game. It's things like "lets take a simple idea like adding gear to the pool, and make it way more complicated and convoluted than it needs to be!" that keeps me from pulling out my wallet any more.
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By Bahamut.Cantontai 2012-05-19 03:12:57
I monitor the news to see whether I should come back to the game. 
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By Bahamut.Caelestis 2012-05-19 03:15:00
Are you *** kidding me? Making what i thought was going to be a relatively nice (albeit, long overdue) idea of the ticket system and instead turning it into a *** pain-in-the-*** loot pool deal is a joke, a goddamn joke...i may just quit this game for good and stay on D3, this is beyond ridiculous, i no longer care about the ticket system...w2g SE, you never fail to disappoint.
 Cerberus.Sephrin
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By Cerberus.Sephrin 2012-05-19 05:18:08
Bahamut.Caelestis said: »Are you *** kidding me? Making what i thought was going to be a relatively nice (albeit, long overdue) idea of the ticket system and instead turning it into a *** pain-in-the-*** loot pool deal is a joke, a goddamn joke...i may just quit this game for good and stay on D3, this is beyond ridiculous, i no longer care about the ticket system...w2g SE, you never fail to disappoint.
If the ticket system bothers you that much then it's best you stay away, lol. However, isn't D3 supposed to implement a real money AH? I don't know how I feel about that... I'd rather pay pixel money for more pixels instead of my gas money.
inb4 rmts gil buyers
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-19 06:30:21
The RMT AH is completely optional... there's a regular gold based one too, and tbh I don't see an incredible need to use the AH in Diablo to begin with unless you're selling things yourself.
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By Cerberus.Sephrin 2012-05-19 06:39:24
Valefor.Prothescar said: »The RMT AH is completely optional... there's a regular gold based one too, and tbh I don't see an incredible need to use the AH in Diablo to begin with unless you're selling things yourself.
that's cool I didn't know there was an option. Interesting that people have the option to make money and its not against their ToS. Wonder how much cash I'd make if i could sell FF stuff (items not gil or accounts).
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-19 06:41:35
Relatively certain that people sell, or used to sell, high ticket items for irl money.
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By Siren.Novadragon 2012-05-19 06:43:56
It's already easy to make a pack of gil from VW >.>... Cruor/Qilin your best friend.
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By Asura.Miyara 2012-05-19 18:28:21
They can't really be stupid enough to think that these tickets WON'T be sold for gil....
Bahamut.Yeffebel
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By Bahamut.Yeffebel 2012-05-19 18:41:23
All this will do is add even more time between pops now. Someone gets a 2nd body, now they have to let their buddies know so they wait a few mins to even make a ticket. Now ticket is in pool and just matter of booting people to get buddy into allaince to lot on ticket.
The other issue with nontranferable tickets, what happens to the person who's colleted 2/3 and gets the body themselves? They take body and dump tickets, ya this system is just horrible.
By Applebottoms101 2012-05-19 18:53:41
This idea.. could use some work...
I've only started Voidwatch recently and have been spamming Akvan/Celaeno to try for the robes..
Mostly the same people I go with and I'm 0/40 on Celaeno and 0/57 on Akvan.. and I know a lot of people who are worse off..
Maybe it's dependant on servers but people shout here on Valefor all the time.. But I totally understand the anger doing 16 runs in one night and seeing 3 people do it once and get the body you need ><
Ticket system sounds nice in theory.. again.. needs some work.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-05-21 20:01:46
| 05-21-2012 02:10 PM | | Mizuki Ito | | Dev Team |  |
| Thanks for all of your feedback on the ticket system. I’d like to give some follow-up information regarding this. (I’ve actually been discussing this in meetings.)
After looking into the specifications for this ticket system, as a result of continuous experimenting and testing while working on the feature for placing tickets into the treasure chest, we reached a conclusion that there would be a chance that a market tickets would develop even if it wasn’t possible to trade them and regardless of what system was adopted.
With this said, there is no meaning behind making them untradeable.
I believe there are pros and cons for both sides, but I am thinking that the best result would be to relegate this to you all and change it to a system where there is higher chance to help others and still make it so you can give tickets to others free of charge.
However, by making the tickets tradable, we will be changing the system so that more tickets are required to obtain equipment. It will also be necessary to fight the monster that drops the equipment and receive the title for defeat.
The below are the planned changes:
We also received a lot of feedback regarding the possibility of having a different item be created when you change a piece of equipment into a ticket.
This is a nice idea for both the ticket giver and the receiver creating a win-win situation, but since we ultimately decided to make tickets tradable, we felt that even without this idea the tickets will find their way to those who want them, so we decided to put this off for now. | |
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By Bismarck.Altar 2012-05-21 20:07:36
As long as tickets are forcibly put into the pool, it's a terrible idea.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-05-21 20:08:49
As long as tickets are forcibly put into the pool, it's a terrible idea. Why would they still be put into the pool now that they are tradable?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-05-21 20:11:12
Lol, a lot of profit to be had here.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-05-21 20:15:06
It's really simple how this should work...
When the chest pops and it generates something the player has then it places a ticket in that place. The ticket should be bazaarable and tradable. I do like the idea of needing the title, though that forces you to get VW clears right?
As an added idea, I think one should be able to trade a piece of gear in for a ticket. Say you have one but it's on a mule or you just plain don't need it and don't want to clog your inventory up with 150 different VW items just so you can help someone out later... If you can just trade it, then you can save your inventory and help others, or yourself if you'd like to sell tickets.
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By Lakshmi.Mahoro 2012-05-21 23:49:32
Seems like they addressed a couple of the issues people raised with incentive and wasting of tickets. Looks more simple and streamlined.
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By Carbuncle.Enuyasha 2012-05-22 00:12:59
"we know that a market will arise from these items, so we made it 5 instead of 3"
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By Odin.Calipso 2012-05-22 00:23:44
This sounds way better than the first idea.
With the first idea, instead of *random person wearing nq af3* going 1/1 on body, he'd be the one winning lots on the paper you put in pool hoping your buddy would win.
Sometimes I wonder if the dev team plays this game at all.. like, ever.
Should also help vw groups take off a little more, as there's quite a bit of profit to be made by people who have drops already and otherwise had no reason to go anymore.
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By Carbuncle.Sambb 2012-05-22 01:01:11
Best that they did change it to tradeable, you really think SE that people were not going to sell the tickets any way?
/p Ok I got a ticket for hekas that I can give to some one, 1mil for the ticket any takers?
Now its bazaar 1mil ticket afk port jueno same difference.
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By Bahamut.Cantontai 2012-05-22 01:28:32
I don't want to step on any toes, but you people who are complaining about tickets potentially being very expensive to obtain realize that paying even 30m for a guaranteed Toci's would be more attractive to many players than going 0/250 in pick-up groups? People have been asking for this fix for a long time, and this is the best offer SE has made to fix voidwatch so far. I'm happy with it.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-05-22 01:56:33
Best that they did change it to tradeable, you really think SE that people were not going to sell the tickets any way?
/p Ok I got a ticket for hekas that I can give to some one, 1mil for the ticket any takers?
Now its bazaar 1mil ticket afk port jueno same difference.
i dont see a problem here. Other than 1m is too low.
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By Carbuncle.Sambb 2012-05-22 02:44:54
I am not suggesting there is a problem,
SE said it would be a problem people selling them.... I am simply pointing out people WILL still have sold them by one means or another. So making them able to be traded just makes sense.
1 mil is probably too low your right depending on number of tickets required.
If you look at HQ versions of the crafted items being anything between 5-8mil (on my server any way) I personally put a value on these about 15 mil being realistic.
However people im sure with oooooooodles of gil will pay 30 mil but I don't think 15 mil is too far fetched. If they increase the number of tickets "which they said they might" It could mean maybe 2-3mil per ticket??
Just throwing this out there obviously people will maybe think im talking rubbish and value these at 50 mil... each to their own.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2012-05-24 11:47:33
As long as tickets are forcibly put into the pool, it's a terrible idea. Why would they still be put into the pool now that they are tradable?
I'm just taking what they say at face value. Obviously I'd prefer if they didn't get put into pool, but they only stated two changes to the original proposal, and neither of them mentioned not putting it into the pool.
So... Thoughts on which piece will sell for the most?
| 05-11-2012 06:18 AM | | Camate | | Community Rep |  |
| Hello!
As we have finally reached the final chapter for Voidwatch, starting with the upcoming version update we will be implementing adjustments focusing on making this content more enjoyable.
Adjustment content
Upcoming version update (scheduled for mid-May)
- Adjustments to drop rates and number of drops from Provenance Watcher
- Crystal Petrifact stack quantity increased from 12 to 99
Next version update
- Application of the weakness system of the final chapter to all the other chapters
- Implementation of ticket system for specific items
- Implementation of a system where weakening monsters is possible through paying a fee (Excluding the final chapter)
Objective
As I mentioned at the top, we will be making this content more enjoyable, but to go into a bit more detail on this, the idea is centralized around those who are coming in late and did not do this content as it came out with everyone as well as those players who cannot log in during peak times.
Specifically, we are planning to increase the options to counter situations such as not being able to participate when there is a shout due to progression issues, lacking members to defeat a monster, and the strong desire to obtain a certain item.
This post was intended to serve as an outline for the adjustments and the objective behind them, but we will be bringing you specific details for each adjustment in the near future. | |
| 05-16-2012 08:35 PM | | Mizuki Ito | | Dev Team | |
| Hello, Ito here!
I would like to reveal which adjustments (from the proposed adjustments in the previous post) we plan on implementing in the next update.
Please read through this when you have some time to spare, since it’s rather long.
Objectives
As stated in my previous post, the overall goal is to make the game easier to play. We are also focusing heavily on addressing some critical issues.
We will add more ways to overcome situations such as:
“There are shouts for content, but I can’t participate because I haven’t progressed enough.”
“I am trying everything I can, but I can’t defeat the enemy. Only if I had 1 or 2 more party members…”
“I really want this item!”
caused by the following issues:
-Players were late to participate in content during its peak time
-Players are unable to log in during peak hours
Apply the weakness system which is currently only used in the final chapter to all routes
Based on feedback regarding the battle in the final chapter, we will apply the following adjustments to all routes.
- Opponent’s attack/magic attack is reduced by triggering weakness
- Elimination/addition/consolidation of weaknesses triggers
- Change weakness triggers for jug pets and automatons to all special abilities.
※The 3rd category is currently not applied to the final chapter
Ticket system for specific items
Players are frustrated with the fact that players are unable to give away duplicate items to other players who want the item. As such, we have come up with a way to give players who were unable to obtain the item a better chance.
- Eligible items
The following are the eligible items:
Mextli Harness/Anhur Robe/Fazheluo Radiant Mail/Toci’s Harness/Heka’s Kalasiris/Mekira Meikogai/Murasamemaru/Aytanri/Ephemeron/Coruscanti/Asteria/Borealis/Delphinius
There are 2 reasons these items were chosen:
1. All other gear items are relatively easy to obtain, so we would like players to obtain these items on their own.
2. The more items that can be ticketed, the more inventory congestion becomes a problem.
- Ticketing
- Ticketing can only be performed when items are taken out of the personal treasure box
- When ticketing occurs, the character who is ticketing is announced and the ticket goes to the loot pool
- Tickets are different for each type of gear
- To obtain items via tickets, 3 of the same type of ticket must be turned in
- Tickets cannot be traded to other players
We separated tickets into different types to avoid players only farming areas with the easiest monsters to defeat or obtaining items from NMs that would not usually drop them.
Initially, we were considering allowing tickets to be traded or sold, but if this was implemented, tickets would be used for profit rather than to help other players. Since this does not fall in line with our original objective, in order to make it so tickets easily go to those players who really want an item and continuously participate, we have decided to allow only the members who participate in battle to transfer tickets.
To compensate, we were able to significantly reduce the number of necessary tickets to exchange for equipment and have set the number stated above.
Additionally, by having a the system announce that someone created a ticket, the player who created the ticket can then easily notify other members that they are free to lot on it or chose who to give it to.
Implementation of a system where weakening monsters is possible through paying a fee (Excluding the final chapter)
In order to aid those players to get past portions of content they are stuck on and also to make it possible to take on these battles with fewer party members, we will be implementing the below.
- Enfeebling items can be purchase with gil.
- Item purchases will be limited to a one-time use for a given period of time.
- It will be possible to stack enfeeble items.
- It will not be possible to trade enfeeble items to other players.
- Enfeeble items need to be traded to the Planar Rift prior to Voidwatch battles and converted into a key item.
- It will be possible to possess multiple key items.
- Whether you want to enfeeble the monster will be selectable when spawning the monster.
- If you choose to enfeeble the monster, the level of enfeebling can be selected.
- Enfeebling reduces the level of the monster.
- The amount of levels that can be lowered on a monster via key items will change based on zone.
We do not plan on making the cost for these enfeeble items extremely high. While it won’t be at a level of extreme ease either, we plan on making it somewhat in the middle.
There will also be limitations on the number purchasable in a given amount of time and though it will be slightly on the expensive side, there will not be any other different effects attributed to these items such as drop rate enhancements, etc.
By using multiple enfeeble items at the same time, it will be possible to lower the level of the monster and it will be possible to defeat the earlier chapter monsters with less than a single party.
We’ve set the items in this way in order to prevent making it critical to have for battles and also to prevent extremely efficient parties from battling the same monsters over and over again.
The above are the plans and adjustment planned scheduled for next version update.
We will first be implementing this on the test server and then perform the actual version update.
After this is complete, we will continue to make adjustments based on play conditions and feedback. | |
| 05-21-2012 02:10 PM | | Mizuki Ito | | Dev Team | |
| Thanks for all of your feedback on the ticket system. I’d like to give some follow-up information regarding this. (I’ve actually been discussing this in meetings.)
After looking into the specifications for this ticket system, as a result of continuous experimenting and testing while working on the feature for placing tickets into the treasure chest, we reached a conclusion that there would be a chance that a market tickets would develop even if it wasn’t possible to trade them and regardless of what system was adopted.
With this said, there is no meaning behind making them untradeable.
I believe there are pros and cons for both sides, but I am thinking that the best result would be to relegate this to you all and change it to a system where there is higher chance to help others and still make it so you can give tickets to others free of charge.
However, by making the tickets tradable, we will be changing the system so that more tickets are required to obtain equipment. It will also be necessary to fight the monster that drops the equipment and receive the title for defeat.
The below are the planned changes:
We also received a lot of feedback regarding the possibility of having a different item be created when you change a piece of equipment into a ticket.
This is a nice idea for both the ticket giver and the receiver creating a win-win situation, but since we ultimately decided to make tickets tradable, we felt that even without this idea the tickets will find their way to those who want them, so we decided to put this off for now. | |
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