The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage

The jobs on the sets are based, by default, on the ark angels jobs.
But there are additional and newer jobs that they kinda sticked in there the best they could.

It's not exactely like that, but aa jobs is the core on which they built, let's say

You ever want a set with TA+34% and DT-35%? Because that seems pretty notable. BiS Meva on (nearly) every single piece, more MDB than Malignance, more accuracy than Malignance, WAY more HP than malignance, and close-enough-to-BiS macc, while still retaining all those defensive stats.

But yeah, they ALSO added enspell damage on there, so it's trash.

I think it's worth noting, at least what I see on BG, is that the TA aug caps at R25 instead of R30. 230k RP less than having to hit R30, PER item...

I mean, I get it. Each set has 4 'unique' stats (2 on the base gear and 2 from augments), and 2/4 for the BLU set specifically enhance spells that BLU doesn't get, and the 3rd is fast cast. So BLU really only gets that TA boost, but it's a *really good* boost. This new set will mostly beat out Malignance, and that's a big deal.

Some jobs really lucked out with the new gear, but a bunch of them have some weird trade off stats to accommodate other jobs, so it's not just BLU. Just count yourself lucky SE didn't put BLU on the mage gear.

I'm interested in this; where did you find the aug/RP info?

I think every set besides the mage set got a pretty decent amount of multi attack and the other sets all get additional melee focused stats like phiscal damage limit, store tp and crit chance on top.

The main critique here is that this set primarily plays into RDMs strengths. RDM simply doesn't need more buffs like this. Out of the jobs on the sworn armor set I'd argue BLU is in the worst spot and would have deserved more attention.

While you can make a argument for putting phalanx on it considering the other perks like FC/-DT and decent defensive stats you still have to admit something other than spell enhancement damage would have fit better and cater more to all jobs on the list.

BLU would have fit just as well on most of the other sets, the only one more disappointing would have been the mage set because it would compete with empy +3.

Lol I would never want BLU to be on different set. Trust set is by far the best one with Mercy being second best. Justice probably 3rd and Hope 4th.

The amount of defensive stats on Trust set alongside that Triple attack is just borderline broken. Especially on jobs that also has Sakpata/Malignance hands and Null back is bis for them. The amount of meva in this set is ridiculous. Not to mention all the other uses for this set like casting buffs, debuffs with massive acc/macc and cooldown reduction thx to Fast Cast (you can reduce cooldown on TP reset spells for example). It's bis tanking set. Mostly bis idle. I think some pieces can even be bis for white wind with that much HP.

And all that TPing and casting while being the most tanky is just pure win. Having sword enhancement isn't perfect, but having something like sTP instead would make this set super unbalanced vs other 4.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Trust_Armor_Set

List of all Limbus gear can be found here -
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Category:Limbus#SU4/SU5_Armor_Sets

(shoutout to whoever updated the wiki, thank you)

doesn't need to be STP or a offense focused stat at all.
looking at the set something like SIRD would have made sense, maybe conserve MP, SED feels shoehorned in.

You're wild for not thinking the justice set isnt the best.... it literally has Everything you want in a TP set. The Trust set is solid sure, but niche, and mainly good for red mage useage outside of macro swaps for the other jobs. If you want to make the arguement that Trust is a huge step up as a TP set for any of the jobs... then Justice would be far better if the jobs were on it.

Im not really wild.

First of all Sworn set has 114 MEVA and 10DT more, which is huge difference.
Second of all it has 15%TA more, while having 25%DA and 34sTP less. So generally it has less TP gain, but not by much, because TA% on Justice set devalues DA% (and many jobs have some additional TA% outside of main slots, like Moonbow belt, Gere Ring, Foenaria, Trait) and store TP has diminishing value with Samurai roll.
Third of all Hoxne Ampulla exists and it's so strong for many jobs on those 2 sets, that you can't simply ignore it. All that DA% on Justice set is useless stat with Hoxne. I presented more fact checking in MNK thread. Even without Hoxne you would mainly use Justice body with impetus down and feet and head (if you dont have Nyame A, which you should if you are MNK main). With Hoxne you would use even less.
For BLU without Hoxne, Duty set would be like 7% faster TP gain, but I would never want to drop that meva and dt for it and if I would be that serious to kill something, I would use Hoxne for massive TP gain and combo of Sworn and Malignance for TA/sTP and keeping top defensive stats.

TL;DR In most buff scenario without Hoxne, Sworn set is just slightly less TP gain than Duty set, with 114 meva and 10DT advantage, which I definitely prefer. With Hoxne Sworn+Malignance mix is break even against Duty for TP gain, while still having that that additional MEVA and DT.

I guess you do you dude. If you're one of those people that wants to Hoxne at all times for every single job then you're not really going to listen to anyone but yourself anyway

Um, what?


Cmon, you know nearly nobody is such a *whatever* main that we can seriously consider nyame path A in virtually any slot as competing with other gear options. Especially MNK. I could count on 0 hands the number of MNK mains I know

I agree with the general point that the trust set is bonkers, but idk about these bits.

I literally said "if I would be that serious to kill something", meaning I would use it for stuff like Sortie bosses or V25, not trash. I also gave you reasoning for scenario with and WITHOUT Hoxne and your argument is "You want to use Hoxne at all times"...
You are clearly the one who is not listening anyone but yourself here.

I feel like you invoking the ampulla as some sort of standard comes across incredibly unserious...

I didnt even touch on the points Maletaru made which I completely agree with as well.

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The point was simply that I feel you're overvaluing the Elvaan set and undervaluing the Mithra set. You're welcome to your opinion. We differ on how relevant 100-ish meva will play in general practice.

I dont think anyone would argue that any of these sets (other than the Tarutaru) are bad, they're just a bit more niche than I'm comfortable with people saying they are.

Given the chance, if all of the sets were all jobs, I truly believe every single DD would gravitate towards the Mithra set.

You don't need Nyame path B for a lot of DDs.

MNK,WAR,RNG,DNC,BLU,DRG,BST,NIN,THF,RDM has jse head WSD options.
DRK has 10%PDL head and SAM uses Mpaca head for all WSs outside of 3000TP ones. It's very realistic to have Nyame path A head those days.

We are compering sets, which take 10 months of serious grind to get and hundreds of millions of gils to buy HQ1 or HQ2. I would say buyable ammo is far more standard than those sets will ever be.

Not sure what you mean here?

In the calculation

base TP x store TP x multi attack

If you have 0 store TP, 50 store TP will increase your TP gain by 50%. If you have 100 store TP and add 50 store TP, your TP gain will increase by 25%.
There was a big discussion once to not call that diminishing returns of store TP, because theoretically you still gets the same +TP from each +1 store TP, but RELATIVE VALUE of each additional store TP is lower with each store TP you already have.

Sure, that's also true of every stat in the game and a meaningless comparison.

If you have 10% DA, then adding 1% DA increases your DA by 10%. If you have 50% DA, then adding 1% DA increases your DA by 2%.

But it still increases the chance you will double-attack by 1 percentage point. It has the same value as every other DA ever (ignoring TA, QA, etc.)

That doesn't really mean anything. Most people only see pure DD stats on gear and undervalue defensive stats. Aren't you even complain about this on podcast? Kinda "wild" of you to use those people judgment as an argument in discussion now :D

Is your entire arguments standpoint that you'll be using Naegling or Caliburnus and tossing your Tizona with these new theoretical TP sets?

In what world is any amount of Store TP diminishing returns when you're riding AM3 on Tizona for a flat DA/TA buff that gets cut off when you slot Any amount of hard DA/TA?

BLU is one of the few jobs uniquely positioned to Not want to use the Hoxne ammo even if gil was a complete nonfactor for this exact reason....

Im just trying to understand where you're coming from here. If we're talking Caliburnus spamming Imperator, then sure the new set is really nice, in arguably most slots. I'd still say that's niche however, like I expressed in my original point

Comparing the difference in that set to the trust set is completely different to comparing malignance to something like samnuhas for example... which is what I feel like you're implying

Edit: What's with your quoting back "Wild" at me? Was it that insulting to you? I feel like that's quite an non offensive way to show disagreement my dude

It's not meaningless when you compare it against other stat in the calculation.

If you have 0% multi attack and 0 store TP, 25 store TP will beat 10%TA. If you have 100 store TP and 0% multi attack, 10%TA will beat 25 store TP. This is what I meant in above Samurai roll example. With Samurai roll, store tp on Justice set is weaker in comparison against TA on Trust, than it would be without Samurai roll.

You are clearly in the wrong here. With Tizona/Thribon you clearly want to use Hoxne. Not only you don't need to hold TP for AM3 (it's so *** awesome QoL, when you don't need to do it), but also avg multi attack from AM3 is 1.8 attack per round on JUST Tizona. Hoxne is 2.0 attacks per round on BOTH Tizona and Thribon. It's massive gain you would understand very fast in practice too. I used BLU with Hoxne a lot recently in Segments. I was easily parsing like 20% higher than before.
This is also very visible in the sim. Fastest AM3 tp set without Hoxne (with II Samurai roll) is at 2.9 sec (though I would never use it, because it uses 2 Adhemar pieces and Samnuha pants, which is WAY to glassy). Now with Hoxne it goes down to 2.453 (using better more defensive gear too). That's almost 19% faster. If you apply more realistic set to AM3 (which ironically is 5/5 Sworn set), that difference goes up to almost 21%.
With Hoxne you can also use AM1 and AM2 to get accuracy or magic accuracy, because you are not glued to AM3 anymore.

I'm sorry, it meant to be more as a joke to counter you with your statement in the discussion. Definitely wasn't insulting for me and wasn't used it to insult you either.

It's truly hard to get a read on you. I feel like you live for arguments and the line gets blurred on whether your arguing your thought process out of passion or frustration

I really don't live for argument, but yeah I guess I'm too passionate and maybe take some of the aspects of the game too serious. I'm simply being logical about everything and sometimes what I wrote can be taken as washed from emotions or misunderstood when I try to joke. I guess I would identify with a Spock.

Did hoxne and I guess now the sworn set, do anything for Prime sword? or is the ws just too bad (obviously tizona is always going to be king but curious if the gap closed some)

I wanna say it might push it closer to/ahead of Tiz if hoxne is in play. The WS itself isnt bad afaik naegling SB is just better due to the boost + all the additional atk and Tiz expi isnt far behind that due to better WS frequency due to AM, plus the whole utility aspect in never needing MP

Was someone who was gonna run some real WS numbers on imperator but dont think it ever happened