The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage
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The Beast Within -- A Guide to Blue Mage
I use the same except Epaminondas over Rufescent and NQ Orb over Floestone but those are great alternative.
Asura.Zidaner said: » ItemSet 372816 What I use. Pumps out 40-50k with trust buffs when acc is good. Sure there can be a few changes but for 1-2% more dmg I am not spending 500m lol...stupid Asura economy Generally speaking posting numbers of ws damage with vague details are very misleading and will only confuse many people who wont be even close to 40-50k with trust buffs come here asking what they are doing wrong. To get that much damage with trusts and this set your target needs to be very weak and/or you hold TP and/or you are in some zone with buffs like Escha. Normally you need attack to be cap or near cap to break 40k with Expiacion spam on neutral target with this set. Btw ilabrat ring and metamorph+1 should both be better than Rufescent ring. Not only misleading but false, i'm getting those numbers with proper buffs.
False? because you don't get those numbers you call me a liar?
this is why I rarely post here because there are so many variables that get overlooked and people like to jump to conclusions. Did you take into account the 2 herc pieces? Ya they are pretty top notch on my end. As far as target goes I was using T2 reisenjima as my example. and Simon thx for the ring options, I will try that out ^^
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Asura.Zidaner said: » As far as target goes I was using T2 reisenjima as my example. 40-50k in Reisen is for sure achievable with trusts on t2. I generally gets several k more damage in Reisen than in neutral zone. With capped attack in Reisen my Expiacion is more like 45-55k (my highest spike was 62k if I remember it right) and with right trusts and self buffs you can for sure be close to attack cap on T2. I just find posting numbers without specific details of target, buffs, zone etc. misleading (not false), because someone else will go do lets say Omen and will be confused why is he getting several k damage less with very similar gear. The most misleading are numbers from Dynamis D wave 1 and 2 in cities with massive damage bonus like Jeuno for example. Sorry for not initially posting target.
I have actually hit higher numbers in dyna w1/w2 because I get better buffs. 2 minuets chaos/sam and frailty(idris) push you way further than any trust or escha buff will. This is with sushi food btw. Asura.Zidaner said: » False? because you don't get those numbers you call me a liar? Like simon said, if you don't include mobs/buffs it haz no meaning for the average blu, so many jumped the bandwagon years ago and were disappointed. Asura.Zidaner said: » Sorry for not initially posting target. I have actually hit higher numbers in dyna w1/w2 because I get better buffs. 2 minuets chaos/sam and frailty(idris) push you way further than any trust or escha buff will. This is with sushi food btw. Its not a matter of buffs (tho you definitely need some of them to cap attack in dynamis). It's simply because Dynamis D trash mobs in Sandoria (+25% physical damage taken on mobs from green eyes statues) and Jeuno (+20-50% damage taken. Also depends on statue eyes color) zones takes massively boosted damage. Attack has cap (and its actually quite low for BLU with swords) and even if you stack every possible attack/def buffs/debuffs like minuets, Frailty, chaos, Tenebral Crush, Fury etc. you are still limited by cap. Buffs that can push damage further are stat buffs like Boost-STR from WHM. For solo R15 almace is also quite strong.
geigei said: » For solo R15 almace is also quite strong. Yeah selfbuffed Almace is great. Asura.Arico said: » geigei said: » For solo R15 almace is also quite strong. Yeah selfbuffed Almace is great. Wouldnt Tizona/Almace be almost as good (Activate AM# and spam CDC) while still benefiting from "infinite" MP and better WS frequency helping with possible self multi skillchain involving CDC? Tizona/Tibron is always better IMO. /Almace if ACC is needed.
Solo content Requiscant>Expiacion is incredibly potent and you can still CDC > CDC for light as needed. For medium to hard content AM3 plus Malignance pairs incredibly well. R15 Almace is good but once you have Tizona it’s an offhand tool.
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Taint said: » Tizona/Tibron is always better IMO. /Almace if ACC is needed. Solo content Requiscant>Expiacion is incredibly potent and you can still CDC > CDC for light as needed. For medium to hard content AM3 plus Malignance pairs incredibly well. R15 Almace is good but once you have Tizona it’s an offhand tool. I'd be interested to see the parse numbers on Tizona/Almace vs Tizona/Tibron for solo content where self SCing contributes to a large portion of dps. For example, Levi VD solo. I haven't finished my Tibron so I haven't been able to compare which is more effective, but Levi VD works pretty well with Tizona/Almace to activate AM3, then spam CDC for self-SC. Maybe Tizona/Tibron would still come out ahead, but as Simonses mentioned, I'd imagine it would still be pretty close, as Tizona/Almace is a great choice for solo content where self SCing is a big factor. The numbers have been posted a lot, in this thread and in the other Blu swords thread, it's not even close.
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Viciouss said: » The numbers have been posted a lot, in this thread and in the other Blu swords thread, it's not even close. Numbers where Tizona/Thibron is like 1500 DPS above any other options are without skillchain damage. That being said, like Taint pointed out, Tizona/Thibron can skillchain too. While requiescat is kinda weak, it doesnt really matter much. Even assuming Requiescat will do like 10k, Expiacion + darkness should still be enough to compete with 2x cdc + light. Question is it possible to learn the delve boss spells from wildkeepers rieve? Or do i need to do delve for those?
gargurty said: » Question is it possible to learn the delve boss spells from wildkeepers rieve? Or do i need to do delve for those? Yes can learn them from WKR, even if you're dead in there :p cool thanks
Since people wanted to know the difference in damage between the three belts, here you go. Acuity is R15.
Subduction Sacro Cord: 8646 Acuity Belt +1: 8701 Orpheus's Sash Max potency: 9699 Tenebral Crush Sacro Cord: 18,200 Acuity Belt +1: 18,186 Orpheus's Sash Max potency: 19,637 Retinal Glare Sacro Cord: 11,407 Acuity Belt +1: 11,493 Orpheus's Sash Max potency: 12,751 Entomb Sacro Cord: 13,758 Acuity Belt +1: 13,753 Orpheus's Sash Max potency: 15,400 Spectral Floe Sacro Cord: 16,567 Acuity Belt +1: 16,813 Orpheus's Sash Max potency: 18,498 Searing Tempest Sacro Cord: 12,870 Acuity Belt +1: 12,867 Orpheus's Sash Max potency: 14,488 Anvil Lightning Sacro Cord: 13,057 Acuity Belt +1: 13,051 Orpheus's Sash Max potency: 14,701
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I think the difference is gonna be slightly bigger/smaller depending on how much stats/mab you have in the other slots.
Regardless, from your tests it seems the difference is very small BUT Acuity+1 has other pros and can act as an inventory saver. If inventory is an issue, I'd promote that over Sacro. Of course Orpheus beats everything else but it's not exactely cheap, heh. nice to see how much orpheus sash actually helps for the idiots like me who wonder why it's so pricy
to get a better picture you'd also want to know the damage at min potency. unless min potency is still higher or at least close to the alternatives you just trade consistency for the occational "spike" damage. in my experience you'll never have every mob right next to you while AoEing, especially in Dyna D where you can't oneshot fodder mobs and macc matters.
what mobs yielded those numbers? Same as the other tests. Bull Dhalmels in Bubu. BLU magic is easy to test though, since you get the same #s every time minus day proc/resist.
You always check those dhalmels to have exactly the same level right?
Shichishito said: » to get a better picture you'd also want to know the damage at min potency. unless min potency is still higher or at least close to the alternatives you just trade consistency for the occational "spike" damage. in my experience you'll never have every mob right next to you while AoEing, especially in Dyna D where you can't oneshot fodder mobs and macc matters. what mobs yielded those numbers? Welp, I just went out and checked on Blanched Mandragora (all level 100) and even at BLU spell's max distance (11~), Orpheus still won compared to Sacro Cord. Haven't bothered finishing my Acuity Belt yet to compare, but the gap between Cord and Sash was still pretty big. Didn't bother testing them all, but Spectral and Subduction are the most impacted by the loss of INT so they should be the ones with the closest numbers anyway. 11m away-- Subduction Orpheus: 7884 Sacro Cord: 7709 Spectral Floe: Orpheus: 16129 Sacro Cord: 15831 Tenebral Crush: Orpheus: 17175 Sacro Cord: 17060 Anvil Lightning: Orpheus: 12437 Sacro Cord: 12109
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question: Are the vagary boss spells learnable from the unlock zones?
Asura.Gordel said: » Is saifli belt +1 augmented better than windbuffet +1? For Expiacion would it be better than prosilio belt +1 Not sure what kind of question the former is, if you are talking about for TP/melee. Windbuffet should be slightly ahead of Sailfi +1 R15 for melee. Isn't it obvious that Sailfi +1 R15 would beat Prosilio +1 for Expiacion: its +5 STR +5 DA (+10 total net DA actually) +2 TA vs ~13 attack and 5 WS acc. That should be clearly in favor of Sailfi+1. I'm wondering if I'm on the right track for damage output with Blu. I don't have a REMA but would like to think I'm pretty well geared. What damage would spells like Spectral Floe and Entomb see with say the Orc Ambuscade on say normal?
Nobody knows because that is a vague question and you haven't posted your set, nor the buffs you would be using. And REMA has no bearing on max top end damage for Floe/Entomb, unless you considered Maxentius to be a REMA weapon.
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