How Do You Feel About Windower?

@ Raenryong your missing the whole point of his posts and are only displaying one tiny little aspect of it to build an argument, your laughable.

firstly i never said i did or didn't use it, and tbh the thing i feel strongly about most is that with all the effort that aikar starhawk and the rest put into that program for users, getting nothing out of it themselves, people should give windower a break.

they don't have to do that for us, they could keep w/e they make to themselves but choose not to, if we all thought like you they wouldn't let others use it and how many would quit then?

also do u relise how much ***is illegal?

pretty much everything...

its illegal to let your friends watch a dvd u bought

its illegal to lend someone your ps2 game.., or even play multilayer if both users don't own the game.

when it comes to stuff like software, lots of stuff is illegal that no one really gives a ***about.

Prove to me that Windower has not changed a single thing about this game.

It was the part which amused me most; he was implying that Windower is almost a necessity to solo sky pops but it's his gear/technique by the sounds of it which are causing him issues.

By the way, should probably read up on some basic grammar. "Your laughable" is amusing at best. Both people arguing against Windower here are using Jet Seraweels :D

By the way, before Windower I would hit 2-3 macros for each action as opposed to one. The end result was in fact the same. Windower is largely convenience.

Ah, you finally admit Windower gives an advantage in game… That’s all I need to hear! Thanks.

Wow, somethign you're finally right about. It most definitely has changed the game. And it's changed the game for the BETTER.

You know that SE Official Windowed mode? That was b/c of Windower.
How about the auto-sort function for your inventory? That was because of Windower too.
Or maybe those additional macro books? That was because of Windower as well.

Wow Luignata... So you're saying you've never let someone watch/play one of your games or DVD's? Naive much?

Learn to read, I did not say any such thing. I said that there are situations where Windower could mean the difference between fail and success.



I fail to see how equipment make any difference.



And the situation where the time it takes you to hit those extra 1-2 macros could mean that your spell/ability got off that much faster and you were to take that one step sooner to stay out of range of a 1 shot KO. You’re only proving that Windower gives an advantage.

Did I ever say that? I do not believe that I did.

>.> police offer gonna arrest me for playing game that isn't mine now? i doubt that somehow

if you seriously follow every single rule in the book, your a sheep lol

can u honestly tell me u never watched a dvd that wasn't yours? or played a game with friends u didn't own?

haven't ever drunk underage?

even the best of us break rules, even if we have no idea we are breaking them.

and a lot of rules are too stupid not to break.

Nowhere in that statement did i say windower gave any sort of advantage. =) as far as your statement about the speeding ticket, yea if you go 5 miles over then you are just as bad as someone who goes 15 miles over (according to your logic anyway). ^^

over 90% of this game uses windower, over 99% of this game uses outside sources of info for the game, therefore, maybe less than 1% of the people playing this game are playing legit. You are by no means one of them so go ahead and destroy that list of yours because are better than no one. Go play WoW and gtfo ^^ kthxbye

Which means... You've broken the 'law' too.
99.99999% of the population have broken some law in one form or another.
The differences between an everyday person and a convicted felon is the degree to which they break the law. You are over here preaching right and wrong like it's simply black and white. Like I said before, there is no black and white. The world only exists in shades of gray.
>>>>>I do hope that you're going to school to get a Religious major or something similar, you're pretty good at being hypocritical and preaching.<<<<<

Just how blind and naive ARE you? Windower has a ton of features, then all of a sudden SE implements several of the same features, albeit very gimp versions of them.

The irony of people arguing that Windower is cheating on a FFXIAH.com message board never ceases to amuse me.

You guys do know we're the same people, right? The core technology behind Windower, and the core technology behind FFXIAH.com, were both written by Cliff, one of our site admins. Hell, even I was around during most of the original development of Windower. (Leave it to a samurai to dream up seeing group members' TP.) The maintenance of the Windower code base has since been taken over by another development group with a slightly different ideology, but the point is the same.

Did you know that at one point, the extended macro system that Windower has now was actually a fully-featured reactive scripting system? You could automate your entire character. You could conceivably teach it how to pull, how to buff and heal your group when they needed it, how to fight mobs, even how to automatically do missions and quests, and then give those scripts to other people. I still have a copy of the prototype -- it works quite well.

Did you know that if we wanted to, we could so dramatically improve the Crafting section on FFXIAH.com that it could automatically compute the exact best personalized money-making synth for you at any moment, based off over a dozen existing market figures, day/crystal combinations, and your players' synth skills? We have the data -- it wouldn't be hard to implement.

But the scripting system for Windower was never released, and you will never see that kind of crafting functionality on FFXIAH.com.

Why not?

As per my previous post in this thread, because Terms of Service agreements are not legally binding documents, the only "rules" in FF: Online are what any given GM tells any given person on any given day. Everything else is just guidelines. But what will make SE start banning people indiscriminately is if a particular tool starts to give enough of an unfair advantage that they begin to lose subscribers over it. As such, it is our duty as 3rd party developers to make sure our tools never cross that line.

But to sit on an FFXIAH.com message board and accuse Windower users of "cheating," due to some non-existent ethical violation, is quite simply laughable.

The law does not see it that way. )

So to support Dubont's theory, the second you open up a page to check and item sales history you have an advantage over players who don't use this site. It's the same as using windower. Which by your logic makes you a cheater.

I respect that 1%, and acknowledge they’re better then me. However, I’m better then you cause I don’t use Windower. I’ll keep my list right where it’s at thanks, hell I’ll even move you closer to the top of the list of “People I’m better then”. I’m glad to see you’re leaving, you have yourself a wonderful weekend. (I’m off work tomorrow so it’s a weekend for me)

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So to support Dubont's theory, the second you open up a page to check and item sales history you have an advantage over players who don't use this site. It's the same as using windower. Which by your logic makes you a cheater.

over 90% of this game uses windower, over 99% of this game uses outside sources of info for the game, therefore, maybe less than 1% of the people playing this game are playing legit. You are by no means one of them so go ahead and destroy that list of yours because are better than no one. Go play WoW and gtfo ^^ kthxbye

I respect that 1%, and acknowledge they’re better then me. However, I’m better then you cause I don’t use Windower. I’ll keep my list right where it’s at thanks, hell I’ll even move you closer to the top of the list of “People I’m better then”. I’m glad to see you’re leaving, you have yourself a wonderful weekend. (I’m off work tomorrow so it’s a weekend for me)

It's the same as using windower.

Alright guys it’s about time that I take a break from the computer. All this arguing has been fun, but the simple fact remains that Windower is illegal, gives an advantage over other players that don’t have it, and being a player who doesn’t use Windower, I’m better then all those that do.

To quote myself:

So you admit yourself that FFXIAH.com gives you an advantage over other players… that’s all I need to hear. :)

Alright guys it’s about time that I take a break from the computer. All this arguing has been fun, but the simple fact remains that Windower is illegal, gives an advantage over other players that don’t have it, and being a player who doesn’t use Windower, I’m better then all those that do.

I will be back in 3 hours to pick up right off where I left. Until then, you all use whatever excuses you want to make yourselves feel better for using Windower.

I hope you don't play on the computer, wouldn't want you to have unfair advantages like being able to hit macros fractionally quicker, more convenient typing and such. Not to mention PCs don't overheat as often as other consoles and such!