Random Question Thread (FFXI Related)

No ones asking for GEO to have better melee DPS tools. Its a buff + nuke job, not a nuke + melee job like the aforementioned COR and BRD

Well it has some usage as a melee in the current meta, and Geomancer was a physical sword using job aside from their geomancy debuffs in FFT, so that's where that came from.

But as a mage who lorewise is connected to nature, it should have access to more spell lines at minimum than sleep, spikes and AOE spells that are nerfed in most content these days.

***. For years, many of us have complained that GEO has terrible TP options (Nyame Path A, but you forego WSD path). It has very openly been excluded from every melee set in the past several years. The exception is Jhakri (Slops and Cuffs). Ladyofhonor is absolutely correct in that GEO has very bad TP options. (Now, it kind of doesn't matter too much, since GEO's role is not for supplemental DPS, and most of the time you can clear anything with GEO doing nothing at all, so it's largely inconsequential. But) GEO has bottom of the barrel TP options, as he stated. And they could definitely benefit from better options, the way other jobs have. It just happens to be that Nyame functions fine as a melee set for GEO since survival is priority, but it for sure is inferior to other sets from a melee perspective.

I dare you to find one singular STP/DA/TA piece that GEO can wear in the 5 main armor slots that isn't squishy AF (not including Nyame).


Ok. WHM is a healing (backline) job and is on Sworn set (what the actual hell...?), which is bonkers for DPS. Where GEO by comparison is put on the mage set that has zero melee stats. Even the Bunzi's set included WHM+SMN, which has pretty busted DPS pieces like hands/head(body PDL), but GEO was thrown on Agwu. The only job with worse melee options than GEO is SCH, but SCH is a clear backline job in most content, but GEO can function in both, often in the front.

There has been a clear omission of GEO in any modern DD sets, and it doesn't really make any logical sense considering their role in the party and compared to what other jobs were given and their respective role.

Oh no
The job that gives +61% attack and lowers enemy def by 42% doesnt have an offensive melee toolkit.

Geos are really struggling out there because of this.

By that logic, COR boosts the party's DPS by a substantial amount. BRD does too. So why bother giving them an offensive melee toolkit, it's not like they're struggling either.

Your response is a deflection.

My galka, read


I did make a little booboo in my haste, shoulda say “its not a buff and melee like cor and brd”

Then can you explain why jobs like SMN and WHM are on better sets than GEO, and neither of them have melee roles? It doesn't add up no matter which way you frame it. LoH is still correct in that GEO has the worst TP options, that's not debatable.

Im not digging up a smn or whm tp set, so youre gonna have to supply that

But lore wise
Smn is supposed to fight alongside their pet, not the meta summon bp dismiss
Most iterations of whm (but Rosa used bows) have some inferior melee capability, they wield hammers afterall

Same with GEO too




https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/29127/random-question-thread-ffxi-related/997/#3789883

In one *** game lmao

14 main titles (at the time of geo addition, im pretty sure geo was added after 14s release)
Multiple spinoffs

And your offering is “but geo in FFT”

Then by that logic
Whm should specialize in bows, the WHM in FF4 used bows!

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Geomancer

Your FFT inspiration is the exception (of very few examples), not counting FF6 where the geomancer is a moogle that is also a dancer using polearms. But the majority of the very few instances they exist across the games, GEOs are backline mages.


FFTa2 geo goes back to mage class. Almost as if they didnt like the concept of sword wielding geo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Geo is a nuking job that can melee. I don't expect it to have empy with wsd on it when it already has empy with magic burst+ on it.

Clearly most commenters here have no idea of balance and just want their favourite job to do all the things equally well.

Doesn't work like that.

No, but you're missing the point, maybe purposely. Let's just go with your argument for the sake of spelling it all out.

GEO's role in FFXI - Nuke, Front/Back line support (not melee), past lore they didn't generally melee - Makes sense why they don't have better TP gear.

WHM's role in FFXI - Heals, Back line support (not melee), but past lore they could melee to an extent - Makes sense why they have better TP gear (?)

SMN's role in FFXI - BP support/pet DD, Back line support (not melee), but they're "supposed to fight alongside their pet" (even though they dont) - Makes sense why they have better TP gear (?)

Even your own explanations of historical job roles compared to how they are played in FFXI don't add up to why GEO isn't given better TP gear.

Geo is a buff and nuke job
Not a buff and melee job

Its really not a difficult concept. GEOs DPS options are tailored to making things go kaboom. Unfortunately, SE made making things go kaboom not a viable option for ~95% of content.

I disagree. It's still what Nynja said, a Nuke/buff job. It just happens to be able to play in the front sometimes, so you may as well smack things with your club while you're standing there. Which is kind of my (and probably LoH's point). You have a job that is clearly to be played either in the front or the back, but was intentionally put only on gear for roles in the back, and other back jobs were put on gear/sets that should be worn in the front. It just doesn't line up properly.

I already stated it doesn't really matter because no content requires GEO's DPS to succeed, so it would just be aesthetic to improve it's melee potential.

Funny you posted this right before i submitted this:

Ironically enough, no content requires GEO's nuke contribution to succeed either, not even Ongo. So you could argue it's literally there just to supply bubbles and then stand there.

And despite having no toolkit for meleeing, it still generates ~10% of the dps. Cor and brd do ~17% each, leaving ~28% for the actual DPS.
I dont see the problem with these numbers.

Yeah I don't know which content you're referring to where GEO outputs 10% vs COR/BRD 17%. Those numbers can't be Sortie/Aminon, so you will have to be specific because that is very vague.

Right, 10% melee dmg is about what can be expected of a job that can already buff really well and nuke really well.

Making it also melee on par with say a cor or brd even that have no magic spell options doesn't scream balanced to me.

Why don't smn and whm do 10% of melee dmg? Cause at one point in time smn was too strong and SE nerfed it to hell and back. They're now too scared to give it good toys for fear of having to re-nerf it.

Whm melee will always get a lol from me, gtfo out of here with that ***.

I'll post my next aminon parse if you dont believe 10% dmg from geo.

Where are you getting this "10% melee damage" and attributing it to GEO. I'm missing something here. Which content is that?


I'd be curious to see the logs. I have all records of mine, and GEO isn't close to 10% parse. In good groups, I'm getting 600k-750k if I am aggressive with nuke OAs, which is like 8% total damage. I have also seen parses from very good ML50 Dagda/Tishtrya etc GEOs, and we all parse within the same amount.

In bad groups, of course you will parse higher because someone is worse. But it's not 10% for sure. And COR is closer to like 20~25%. RDM is up there too, with BRD being above GEO if he's using Savage. I don't know where you are coming up with this 10/17/17 aminon split, but that's not accurate.

Aminon

I just want to make sure Im not confused, because I loathe Sortie and its the worst endgame event crested in FFXI (yup worse than Limbus 2025): Thats the boss one where GEO accumulates TP through occult acumen and regain and absorb tp, that Aminon??

Yes, but he can't be talking about exclusively Aminon, because he mentioned earlier using AM3 on Idris. You wouldn't melee on Aminon, so that can't be the only content he was referring to.

And you mentioned GEOs “terrible TP options”

So what is it lol

...You mentioned 10% dps from GEO
...You mentioned Aminon

I was talking about the overall options GEO has available to them, I was not specific of the fight. That's why I asked where 10% came from. What is confusing?

Thats between you and him. I didnt bring up Aminon.

Im saying those estimated numbers seem fine (10/~17/~28) and look like normal distribution on standard fights/content.

GEO is gimped at nuking.
AoEing hasn't been relevant for quite a while so I don't need to get into why I think it's lacking there. The only instance where I remember using AoE GEO nukes must have been for ambu KI.
I'd say both BLM and SCH are clearly better at MBing, RDM probably is too which puts them only above BLU and PUP's puppet? With nuke wall that low in the hierarchy that usually means to not MB in mage setups at all.
What's left is trying to throw random nukes in melee setups in hopes to land a lucky MB, missing a couple of those will make them struggle with MP management.

GEO is kind of the gimp among supports too. Not just because of the heavy potency nerf they received but also because most of recent content switched from camping to roaming content which doesn't play well with their mechanics.

Well aside from the fact that those numbers are not accurate (what the hell is "normal distribution on standard fights/content" without naming the content?), that's not the initial argument LoH was making anyways. But this has gone on long enough with moving goalposts and side-points. So I'll end it here. You be good bruh.

For the avoidance of doubt:

* Sortie Aminon, idle TP regain: Geo ~10% of total dmg with occult acumen abuse and no melee
* Bumba V20 clear melee 1KI style: Geo ~10% of total dmg with meleeing and riding AM3.

I don't have Omen parses off the top of my head, will likely be poo-pood as trash content anyway.

You know what, you're right. I should be careful about doubting other people's experience. Parses are all relative to the collaborative group's damage. I went back and looked at some of our Aminon kill notes in Discord, and I parsed as low as 6~7% and as high as 19.8% in various Aminon runs as GEO (the outliers was with either subs, a bad DNC or someone DCing). It's all relative to the group, so my experience may not be your experience. So if you say GEO parses 10% (your experience), that may be accurate in your case. You got it.

lol

There are all of three jobs that truly excel at nuking:
BLM
GEO
SCH

RDM is so far behind on nuking capability from these three
BLU would be further up there if burst affinity didnt have a two minute recast (1:40 if you merited burst affinity, but I question your decisions if you merited burst affinity). Sub spam is the best mass clearing spell though imo: casts quickly with very low recast, does rather high damage and sticks a very potent gravity.

Even if you want to state that GEO is so far behind BLM and SCH for nuking (which its not, thats not even factoring in Acumen/Malaise or Focus/Languor), its still well above RDM and BLU. The statement "its gimped" is false.

lmao

Yes, GEO is so gimp that SE gave them a bonkers 50% nerf to debuff potency and the playerbase was like "dont care, still best option", so they had to scale it up to an absolutely *** bonkers -95% nerf to debuff potency, and it had a negligible impact on GEO's inclusion in content because the players were like "ok, we will just give ourselves a gorillion defense or give ourselves 95% immunity to debuffs"

The problem with GEO nuking isn't GEO, it's nuking.

If you are using a magic strat and only one person can do full damage every 5 seconds, you don't really want it to be a GEO. Worse is worse and not having a third nuker (SCH is second) may be better than GEO in the those cases.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Magic_Damage#Consecutive_Elemental_Damage_Penalty


I use GEO for MBing when EPing, though. It is awesome for that.