Pup In Dynamis V.2
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Pup in Dynamis v.2
Pet procs count for the owner, so yes, you can proc subless as PUP.
Quetzalcoatl.Lucieus said: » Quick question: If I go to Dynamis subless as PUP/--- can the Automaton proc White !!'s, or is it only the Master? Wondering if it's worth it to go subless on PUP in a duo currency farming party for the occasional white proc. I usually go in a Duo as THF/DNC + DNC/--- for JA procs, but JA window is getting severely crowded so we were considering going THF/WAR + PUP/---(+Soulsoother) off WS procs instead. Yea, u can do that. It works wonders. Specially if going with a thf. Im Sadden when I hear someone playing Pup and said that their pet runs out of MP fast. I dont every use any mana tank. Its called deactivate and activate.
When you want it two heal twice, just have it heal you first (ligh up) deactivate, activate, Light up and it will heal you again in cases that you are really low which you shuldnt be. Its ideal to go as pup/thf but pup/dnc is better to be honest. Or maybe because I duo with thf(s) just to play tag. And I dont know how reg rng attacks from snapeshot causes ruby o.0 its a reg attack. Sorry comments are all over the place from reading this thread. I have been doing dynamis with pup/dnc though. Ill give my insights on things a little later to gather my thoughts. Bahamut.Nipun said: » Im Sadden when I hear someone playing Pup and said that their pet runs out of MP fast. I dont every use any mana tank. Its called deactivate and activate. When you want it two heal twice, just have it heal you first (ligh up) deactivate, activate, Light up and it will heal you again in cases that you are really low which you shuldnt be. Its ideal to go as pup/thf but pup/dnc is better to be honest. Or maybe because I duo with thf(s) just to play tag. And I dont know how reg rng attacks from snapeshot causes ruby o.0 its a reg attack. Sorry comments are all over the place from reading this thread. I have been doing dynamis with pup/dnc though. Ill give my insights on things a little later to gather my thoughts. /THF is ideal if you're running solo since the currency drop rate is balls without TH2-3. If you're running with THFs, a restricted sub would be more beneficial since you already have TH covered and it opens up the opportunity for white procs. This is all assuming you're doing WS procs, of course. /DNC is pretty crap imo.
With /THF you get higher drop rate with proced mobs. However I only seem to average 130ish singles per run with the highest being 157ish, which is better than me going BST and fighting for JA mob, the competition is ridiculous. So I make it a goal to at least get 120 a run and I am happy with that. Really need to try going subless. I did find that I kill a lot faster on pup than on bst. So far pup/--- is meh no white procs in 5-6 runs back to pup/dnc for me for ja and ws procs.
PUP/DNC is a bad idea. One of the big advantages of PUP is that you can farm WS mobs and not compete for JA mobs. If you're going to do JA mobs then you need to just come BST, which has a better kill speed and widescan for TEs.
For numbers, my wife always comes PUP/THF and I always go BST/DNC. Solo, with competition, I pull ~175 currency on BST. Together we hit ~300, so she's getting about 125 currency a run. I think that could be higher. She doesn't have TH3 from sash (we need to get off our butts and farm one) and she plays very conservatively. I need to gear up my pup a bit better, and get my magic frame skilled up. I think between both of us we could probably get close to what we get now, both on PUP/THF, and not have to worry about competition. kenshynofshiva said: » So far pup/--- is meh no white procs in 5-6 runs back to pup/dnc for me for ja and ws procs. I took the same stance for dnc/thf vs dnc/---, white procs are too rare, and the extra coins you get from TH will average more in the long run. Already have thf/dnc always with me just feel the more ja I have going off the quicker I proc and kill. The biggest issue I have with the ws procs is many times I kill the mobs before procing. Last night around 300 coins and lost the last treasure pool with a DC right as time ran out ><;;. It really works off of proccing speed and kill speed for coin generation for my runs I bring in 4 toons quad boxing and take home around 300 - 400+ coins a run. Biggest issue is competition for mobs and proccing speed. I do enjoy pup for kill speed and ws proccing when ja mobs are over run some coins better than none.
I do have to add the ranger puppet is straight gangster 2.5k ws in dynamis is sick between that and barrage turbine no way bst kills faster ;). I am also a bst main and bring a bst mule wasting time looking for TE is just a waste lol. If you're quad boxing and not doing DC camps to avoid competition, I'd say you're doing it wrong.
Cerberus.Pleebo said: » If you're quad boxing and not doing DC camps to avoid competition, I'd say you're doing it wrong. Even dc camps get over run I can only go at reasonable times and if 300-400 coins is wrong I am cool with that lol. pup/ --- my number 1 Dyna job. Robot can get off like 6 ws proc attempts per mob, and teh pup can toss a ws , most time will be pulling mobs for the robot to proc, using 90 Empy to DD down the proc'd mobs.
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Bmac said: » pup/ --- my number 1 Dyna job. Robot can get off like 6 ws proc attempts per mob, and teh pup can toss a ws , most time will be pulling mobs for the robot to proc, using 90 Empy to DD down the proc'd mobs. How many whites have you seen? What is ur frame setup and maneuvers used? And I must got something missing in order to get 6 procs chances before a mob dies lol. I love to see a white proc but so far zip nada nothing in the dunes.... Bahamut.Mizuharu said: » Use WAR frame since I think that it's Shield Bash counts as WS stagger also. If I'm wrong, yeah. RNG frame is fine. The AI still uses it at pretty random times though, instead than each time the timer is up. Similar thing could be said for Disruptor, it's only an effective method of proccing in WS time if the mob you're fighting casts some buff on himself. If there is nothing to dispel, your automaton will not use Disruptor at all. Siren.Thoraeon said: » I took the same stance for dnc/thf vs dnc/---, white procs are too rare, and the extra coins you get from TH will average more in the long run. From my experience it's only worth trying for that if you're going with other people who are either THF or /THF. In that case it's pretty much worth to try for white procs. They are very rare though. I don't get procs in 8 runs, then on the next one I get 4 on the same one, then no procs for 10 runs etc. It's really not reliable, but if you're not solo you don't really lose much by going /---
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Is there anything I can do to spellcast or windower in general so that my first hit I have my Taru sash with TH on and then it switches to my twilight belt? or will I just have to do it manually?
There's a topic about that here:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/31396/how-do-you-swap-th-gear-in-for-single-hit/ I don't think it's a simple solution though. Valefor.Flameblade said: » Is there anything I can do to spellcast or windower in general so that my first hit I have my Taru sash with TH on and then it switches to my twilight belt? or will I just have to do it manually? If you're PUP/THF can macro it into your steal set I suppose, only thing I can think of off the top of my head. Dunno about SC users, but the way I do it it's simple. Just put it in your idle set. (the one with regen stuff and movement speed).
Start the fight with that set, make sure to land one hit then swap to the TPgear set and proceed the rest of the fight that way. Could do the same in SC I'm sure as long as you don't automatize the gearswapping with being engaged/unengaged through a specific rule. Could do something like this based on time or maybe mob hit pts. Hp wouldn't work if in group with mobs taking damage from other sources.
The other way is if you sub dnc for JA procs could equip gear during a step. <equip when="Engaged"> <hands>Assassin's Armlets</hands> <feet>Raider's Poulaines +2</feet> </equip> <command when="Engaged">wait 10;sc set TPgear</command> This would equip th gear if mobs hp is above 90 and swap gear 10 secs after engaged. <if TargetHPPGT="90" status="engaged"> <equip> <hands>Assassin's Armlets</hands> <feet>Raider's Poulaines +2</feet> </equip> <command when="Engaged">wait 10;sc set TPgear</command> </if> On another note still no white procs pup/--- using valoredge now slower killing but more proc chances not sure if I seen a proc off of shield bash tho. Gonna try this for a few more days and then give up on it.
Can just any mob be white procced? Did my 1st WS proccing run in Dyna Valk on EP. Used to do ja window /dnc (with TH sash) and would get 186 on a great day but usually 150ish.
Got 197 easy and my pup rhythm wasnt really down till halfway through the run. Definitely a fan. Using full +2 and have usukane legs/feet. Other than that nothing at all special in terms of gear. I can imagine getting 250 in a run with practise. Didn't bother use disruptor. Which of the mobs in valk (or anywhere else for that matter) buff themselves? Sheep zerk i guess? Might try it out next run. Thanks to all that posted here for the hints. Lots of good info Asura.Vdoubleo said: » Did my 1st WS proccing run in Dyna Valk on EP. Used to do ja window /dnc (with TH sash) and would get 186 on a great day but usually 150ish. Got 197 easy and my pup rhythm wasnt really down till halfway through the run. Definitely a fan. Using full +2 and have usukane legs/feet. Other than that nothing at all special in terms of gear. I can imagine getting 250 in a run with practise. Didn't bother use disruptor. Which of the mobs in valk (or anywhere else for that matter) buff themselves? Sheep zerk i guess? Might try it out next run. Thanks to all that posted here for the hints. Lots of good info i use it in buburimu if I'm doing crawlers. I've gotten a few procs off of dispelling cocoon. I go with another pup / --- and we get a white or two almost every run muwahawhwah
kenshynofshiva said: » Already have thf/dnc always with me just feel the more ja I have going off the quicker I proc and kill. The biggest issue I have with the ws procs is many times I kill the mobs before procing. Last night around 300 coins and lost the last treasure pool with a DC right as time ran out ><;;. It really works off of proccing speed and kill speed for coin generation for my runs I bring in 4 toons quad boxing and take home around 300 - 400+ coins a run. Biggest issue is competition for mobs and proccing speed. I do enjoy pup for kill speed and ws proccing when ja mobs are over run some coins better than none. I do have to add the ranger puppet is straight gangster 2.5k ws in dynamis is sick between that and barrage turbine no way bst kills faster ;). I am also a bst main and bring a bst mule wasting time looking for TE is just a waste lol. Ragnarok.Fasaga said: » kenshynofshiva said: » Already have thf/dnc always with me just feel the more ja I have going off the quicker I proc and kill. The biggest issue I have with the ws procs is many times I kill the mobs before procing. Last night around 300 coins and lost the last treasure pool with a DC right as time ran out ><;;. It really works off of proccing speed and kill speed for coin generation for my runs I bring in 4 toons quad boxing and take home around 300 - 400+ coins a run. Biggest issue is competition for mobs and proccing speed. I do enjoy pup for kill speed and ws proccing when ja mobs are over run some coins better than none. I do have to add the ranger puppet is straight gangster 2.5k ws in dynamis is sick between that and barrage turbine no way bst kills faster ;). I am also a bst main and bring a bst mule wasting time looking for TE is just a waste lol. Kill speed isn't a issue having mobs to kill and luck on how fast to proc is with heavy competition on mobs on my sam I do 3k-4k shoha my dbox thf can hit 2k+ extent. My issue is killing the mob before I proc more than anything or having mobs to kill. If your 350 - 420 averages is way better than my 300 - 400+ averages then good for u. As long as I pull in over 300 coins singles I am a happy camper. After this weekend if no white procs back to pup/dnc or sam/dnc for me this white proc bleep just isn't happening.... It took me a bit to figure out all the possible procs on pup... but now i just bounce from mob type to mob type. Zerg down mob with 90 empy after robot gets a proc usually within first 15 seconds (cus it will fire off like 3-6) then will repeat those when timers are up if dident proc off the hop.
Bring a pup friend as /thf or a thf friend and have 2 pups w/o sj' and count how many white procs u get in a weeks worth of runs. Quote: its all about SC in namis 3-6? Strobe, flashblub, barrage turbine(rng), shield bash(ve), disruptor, I am not getting that many off in 15 seconds lol what am I missing? Strobe is every 30 and flashblub every 45 seconds I must be missing something....
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