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Sam gear lvl 99
By Fupafighters 2012-01-17 03:54:48
Do you even use armageddon? Wtf does your cor look like lol?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-17 03:56:28
Good to know you can't read either, it sort of makes this whole thing easier to understand and offers clarity as to why you're being so bullheaded.
Here, let me help you since you don't seem to understand that this has only a remote effect on COR for the benefit of their entire party, you know, that other part of their job that they're supposed to be doing, support:
Valefor.Prothescar said: »As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's.
It's only a couple of posts prior, but just making sure I'm clear.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-01-17 04:15:38
tacticians roll is extremely overrated, and it mostly benefits the cor more than it does any other DD. unless maybe if you have a 7hit drk in your party lol.
3/tick isn't going to beat a 30%+ attk boost to your dot/ws's.
not when your getting a 3hit in voidwatch. and if your doing it right, i'm pretty sure you will have 100 or more tp in ~6 seconds, which pretty much makes tacts roll just plain silly, and a waste of a useful roll/buff for the party.
i'll tell you a story,
i went and joined a pug Uptala group the other day, i politely asked the cor to give misers/chaos instead of misers/tact, and they laughed in my face and pretty much told me i didn't know what i was talking about and that I was the only one to benefit from not getting tact roll lol. so i forced the alliance leader to switch pts with me and i joined the DD party that had a brd instead. i promptly parsed 1st place with 25% (ish) on that uptala lol.
(i still have the parse if u wanna see it ;o inb4 lolparses)
edit- i would also like to mention that incase this is a counter arguement, cor with wildfire does indeed do alot of dmg in vw's. but unless you have multiple cors and a rng in the party (and even then) you are still benefiting from it more than the other 4~ DD in your party, and slowing your party down and leading to a possible wipe in many situations where killspeed is a factor.
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By Fupafighters 2012-01-17 04:16:09
Thanks for admitting it.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-17 04:21:00
tacticians roll is extremely overrated, and it mostly benefits the cor more than it does any other DD. unless maybe if you have a 7hit drk in your party lol.
3/tick isn't going to beat a 30%+ attk boost to your dot/ws's.
not when your getting a 3hit in voidwatch. and if your doing it right, i'm pretty sure you will have 100 or more tp in ~6 seconds, which pretty much makes tacts roll just plain silly, and a waste of a useful roll/buff for the party.
i'll tell you a story,
i went and joined a pug Uptala group the other day, i politely asked the cor to give misers/chaos instead of misers/tact, and they laughed in my face and pretty much told me i didn't know what i was talking about and that I was the only one to benefit from not getting tact roll lol. so i forced the alliance leader to switch pts with me and i joined the DD party that had a brd instead. i promptly parsed 1st place with 25% (ish) on that uptala lol.
(i still have the parse if u wanna see it ;o inb4 lolparses)
edit- i would also like to mention that incase this is a counter arguement, cor with wildfire does indeed do alot of dmg in vw's. but unless you have multiple cors and a rng in the party (and even then) you are still benefiting from it more than the other 4~ DD in your party, and slowing your party down and leading to a possible wipe in many situations where killspeed is a factor.
Sometimes I have TP before my macro even lets me engage a weaponskill. It's annoying :C
I only pop Dusty Wings to refresh Lv3 AM too, can't really afford the item delay.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-01-17 04:22:56
Valefor.Prothescar said: »tacticians roll is extremely overrated, and it mostly benefits the cor more than it does any other DD. unless maybe if you have a 7hit drk in your party lol.
3/tick isn't going to beat a 30%+ attk boost to your dot/ws's.
not when your getting a 3hit in voidwatch. and if your doing it right, i'm pretty sure you will have 100 or more tp in ~6 seconds, which pretty much makes tacts roll just plain silly, and a waste of a useful roll/buff for the party.
i'll tell you a story,
i went and joined a pug Uptala group the other day, i politely asked the cor to give misers/chaos instead of misers/tact, and they laughed in my face and pretty much told me i didn't know what i was talking about and that I was the only one to benefit from not getting tact roll lol. so i forced the alliance leader to switch pts with me and i joined the DD party that had a brd instead. i promptly parsed 1st place with 25% (ish) on that uptala lol.
(i still have the parse if u wanna see it ;o inb4 lolparses)
edit- i would also like to mention that incase this is a counter arguement, cor with wildfire does indeed do alot of dmg in vw's. but unless you have multiple cors and a rng in the party (and even then) you are still benefiting from it more than the other 4~ DD in your party, and slowing your party down and leading to a possible wipe in many situations where killspeed is a factor.
Sometimes I have TP before my macro even lets me engage a weaponskill. It's annoying :C
I only pop Dusty Wings to refresh Lv3 AM too, can't really afford the item delay.
yea i have the same problem, i even thought about using fudo over shoha if i have double marches /haste/hasso up LOL.
(cause much shorter animation, could potentially get out an extra ws or 2 before w/e we are zerging dies lol.)
By Fupafighters 2012-01-17 04:24:32
tacticians roll is extremely overrated, and it mostly benefits the cor more than it does any other DD. unless maybe if you have a 7hit drk in your party lol.
3/tick isn't going to beat a 30%+ attk boost to your dot/ws's.
not when your getting a 3hit in voidwatch. and if your doing it right, i'm pretty sure you will have 100 or more tp in ~6 seconds, which pretty much makes tacts roll just plain silly, and a waste of a useful roll/buff for the party.
i'll tell you a story,
i went and joined a pug Uptala group the other day, i politely asked the cor to give misers/chaos instead of misers/tact, and they laughed in my face and pretty much told me i didn't know what i was talking about and that I was the only one to benefit from not getting tact roll lol. so i forced the alliance leader to switch pts with me and i joined the DD party that had a brd instead. i promptly parsed 1st place with 25% (ish) on that uptala lol.
(i still have the parse if u wanna see it ;o inb4 lolparses)
edit- i would also like to mention that incase this is a counter arguement, cor with wildfire does indeed do alot of dmg in vw's. but unless you have multiple cors and a rng in the party (and even then) you are still benefiting from it more than the other 4~ DD in your party, and slowing your party down and leading to a possible wipe in many situations where killspeed is a factor. I do wanna see some parses of Chaos and fighters vs tacts plz. I just think while im on corsair, my 40-50k dmg a fight benefits us more than the little boost to the half the time dead DD that dont know what fanatics/fools is :/
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-17 04:25:39
Valefor.Prothescar said: »As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's.
Also no, your Wildfire is not benefiting the group more than the 2-3 other DDs in your party.
By Fupafighters 2012-01-17 04:27:31
Is when they're weak and don't have my rolls anymore haha... while i sit there with pax and wildfire spam hahahahaha.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-01-17 04:40:31
Summary Code Damage Summary
Player Total Dmg Damage % Melee Dmg Range Dmg Abil. Dmg WSkill Dmg Spell Dmg Other Dmg Absorbed Dmg
Alirra 15310 7.65 % 4181 0 0 11129 0 0 0
Apileas 4309 2.15 % 4309 0 0 0 0 0 0
Aspec 14548 7.27 % 6629 0 0 7678 235 6 0
Ayaname 460 0.23 % 0 0 0 0 460 0 0
Colocolo 739 0.37 % 557 0 0 182 0 0 0
Dreimar 20554 10.27 % 7773 0 0 12781 0 0 0
Ghaleon 48686 24.32 % 16918 0 0 31768 0 0 0
Hondo 1157 0.58 % 688 0 0 0 0 469 0
Kohachi 6711 3.35 % 1574 0 408 4729 0 0 0
Raesvelg 24115 12.05 % 9425 0 0 14670 2 18 0
Ryuujinx 20 0.01 % 0 0 0 0 20 0 0
Sahdira 2137 1.07 % 0 0 0 0 2137 0 0
Shintarou 4638 2.32 % 0 0 0 0 4638 0 0
Sukasaroth 12215 6.10 % 4291 0 0 7924 0 0 0
Vengeancee 19026 9.50 % 0 0 1522 17504 0 0 0
Zaraku 20125 10.05 % 9960 0 29 10136 0 0 0
Zuhichii 1300 0.65 % 0 0 0 0 1300 0 0
Azure 68 0.03 % 56 0 12 0 0 0 0
SC: Fragmentation 648 0.32 % 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
SC: Light 3436 1.72 % 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total 200202 100.00 % 66361 0 1971 118501 8792 493 0
WS dmg Code Weaponskill Damage
Player WSkill Dmg Abs'd.Dmg Net Dmg WSkill % Hit/Miss WS.Acc % WS.Low/Hi WS.Avg
Alirra 11129 0 11129 72.69 % 8/0 100.00 % 771/2468 1391.13
- Tachi: Fudo 2845 0 2845 25.56 % 2/0 100.00 % 1128/1717 1422.50
- Tachi: Shoha 8284 0 8284 74.44 % 6/0 100.00 % 771/2468 1380.67
Aspec 7678 0 7678 52.78 % 8/0 100.00 % 483/1521 959.75
- Blade: Hi 7678 0 7678 100.00 % 8/0 100.00 % 483/1521 959.75
Colocolo 182 0 182 24.63 % 1/0 100.00 % 182/182 182.00
- Evisceration 182 0 182 100.00 % 1/0 100.00 % 182/182 182.00
Dreimar 12781 0 12781 62.18 % 11/0 100.00 % 672/1748 1161.91
- Ukko's Fury 12781 0 12781 100.00 % 11/0 100.00 % 672/1748 1161.91
Ghaleon 31768 0 31768 65.25 % 17/0 100.00 % 900/2892 1868.71
- Tachi: Fudo 3449 0 3449 10.86 % 2/0 100.00 % 1470/1979 1724.50
- Tachi: Shoha 28319 0 28319 89.14 % 15/0 100.00 % 900/2892 1887.93
Kohachi 4729 0 4729 70.47 % 5/0 100.00 % 649/1397 945.80
- Drakesbane 4080 0 4080 86.28 % 4/0 100.00 % 724/1397 1020.00
- Stardiver 649 0 649 13.72 % 1/0 100.00 % 649/649 649.00
Raesvelg 14670 0 14670 60.83 % 10/0 100.00 % 1045/2232 1467.00
- Resolution 13033 0 13033 88.84 % 9/0 100.00 % 1045/2232 1448.11
- Torcleaver 1637 0 1637 11.16 % 1/0 100.00 % 1637/1637 1637.00
Sukasaroth 7924 0 7924 64.87 % 8/0 100.00 % 677/1246 990.50
- Fell Cleave 770 0 770 9.72 % 1/0 100.00 % 770/770 770.00
- Upheaval 7154 0 7154 90.28 % 7/0 100.00 % 677/1246 1022.00
Vengeancee 17504 0 17504 92.00 % 9/0 100.00 % 1838/2188 1944.89
- Wildfire 17504 0 17504 100.00 % 9/0 100.00 % 1838/2188 1944.89
Zaraku 10136 0 10136 50.37 % 6/0 100.00 % 747/3925 1689.33
- Victory Smite 10136 0 10136 100.00 % 6/0 100.00 % 747/3925 1689.33
(i usually don't post parses so i forgot what to do :x hope this works lol)
edit- almost all the DD's who parsed under 10% were in the cor's party.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-01-17 04:47:57
Indeed it's so leet to do a roll rotation...wha?
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-01-17 04:48:52
Is when they're weak and don't have my rolls anymore haha... while i sit there with pax and wildfire spam hahahahaha.
And the good melees still parse higher :D
By Fupafighters 2012-01-17 04:50:12
I'm not an elitist lol...idc if people do it better than me.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-01-17 04:50:59
I'm not an elitist lol...idc if people do it better than me. I don't think that word means what you think it means.
By Fupafighters 2012-01-17 04:54:03
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class
Thats what i think it means... lol...
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-01-17 05:01:03
Which has nothing to do with ongoing discussion...it's not an elite concept that sam benefits more from attack boost then regain. Even cor gets more out of chaos when using Last Stand. And certainly doing three rolls isn't elite, doing 4 rolls rotations was the damn standard at 75.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-01-17 05:04:18
Which has nothing to do with ongoing discussion...it's not an elite concept that sam benefits more from attack boost then regain. Even cor gets more out of chaos when using Last Stand. And certainly doing three rolls isn't elite, doing 4 rolls rotations was the damn standard at 75.
And belive it or not, even when doing 4 roll rotations, you could still deal damage between rolls! :o
I actually enjoyed doing that back at 75, it really kept me busy.
Not like I was expecting to be a top-tier DD and parse up top anyways >_>
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By Fupafighters 2012-01-17 05:04:52
Its elitist when he feels superior and right in every way and cant accept other peoples beliefs lol. I cant use last stand lol...
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-01-17 05:07:03
Its elitist when he feels superior and right in every way and cant accept other peoples beliefs lol There is no belief here, you either do it right or wrong. And you're wrong here.
I cant use last stand lol...
Hand over your gun and tricorne.
By Fupafighters 2012-01-17 05:08:57
Man you guys just aren't getting it :/ Not everyone has freakin monarchs and regain atmacite because of their lack of effort...meaning they dont benefit like we do from our 3 hits and 100 tp in 6 seconds. So in those situations, dont you think maybe that 4 regain may help them parse better? I can def see how chaos and fighters roll may do better...but until everyone learns to do their damn clears, tacts will be the better choice for me.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-01-17 05:13:14
4tic regain might actually do NOTHING at times.
Chaos will always work.
There's probably a bigger chance that SAM roll is gonna shave off hit in your build with save tp and other sources of regain, than tact roll?
I never really saw what's so zomg-amazing about tacts, other than to build tp before a fight =/
Or if you'r like a relic rng\yoichi sam that dont wanna shoot normal shots at all to never pull hate.
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By Fupafighters 2012-01-17 05:19:33
It really is nicer than your imagining it lol... Its not like thats all i use lol... >.> Its just favored in most situations because others dont have the temps or hp to sit on the mob fulltime like us ffs...
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-01-17 05:20:54
In reality tho, if a melee don't have temps, should they really be a melee in the run at all? =/
It really does make a massive difference.
By Fupafighters 2012-01-17 05:34:37
Lol this is FF...Ive seen way too many people without even fools/fanatics going on pil and qilin runs...you cant just assume everyone has godly gear lol. My sam is just missing moonshade, gotta +1 my mekira ota and get aces mail.. Im just saying...i have only seen one sam on my server with a ws set as good as mine and i buff his with fighters/misers lol... so maybe your server is 10x better and there is no need for tacticians...but mine doesnt offer that much half the time.
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By Asura.Tamoa 2012-01-17 05:41:44
Wtf @ this thread, it should be split and the latter half moved to cor forum section. -.-
Oh and if there is anybody on this forum whose advice and information I'd trust to be good/correct, it's Prothescar.
Hello, looking for some advice on gear sets for TP, Kaiten and Namas.
this is what i'm currently using
Thanks in advance
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