Sleep Duration Halved On Some Monsters/ares, Have Fun BLM/RDM :]

Sleep is enfeebling magic. Obi's don't provide any magic accuracy. You'd be far better off with the accuracy granted from the stat bonus on either Penitent's rope or Witch's sash for enfeebling magic of all kinds.

No *** ? You don't get me, you're talking about "enfeebling magic" like if all enfeeble should be treated the same way. So no it's not "enfeebling magic" but it's sleep, and you're not treating sleep like you should treat Slow or Paralyze.



Wtf is that *** ? Obi makes weather or day bonus proc 100% of the time. Weather or day bonus are known to affect magic accuracy. You get resisted more often when sleeping on lightday for example.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Gain_Full_Effect_of_Day/Weather_Bonuses



Bonus provided by dark weather (or double dark, especially in dynamis) is far greater than p.rope. And it's not because they're called "Elemental bonuses" that they only work on "elemental magic".

does anyone know if gravity was affected by this as well?

My gravity seemed to work normal in Thund/Kiri/I's BCNM. It was just the sleep that was killer.

I'd get like 1~2 tics from resting before "im awake lol u gun die nao taru."

well the update was for certain mobs, and i have a feeling ebony puddings grav resist has been increasedim only getting half the time i used to have when grav'd ; ;

Perhaps SE did then.
I guess they don't like us kiting/sleeping our way to victory anymore.
If this has effected Maat, then I feel really really bad for first-time Rdms getting past Lv70. =/

Gravity is I think, then again it depend which family of mob you're using gravity on :d

Manticore got 50% wind resistance, so try gravity these, it'll prolly last less longer than on a neutral mob. Harder to compare tho.

Zipacna

Aquilo's/Bugard+1/---/Phantom Tathlum
AF1/Spider Torque/Phantom/Phantom
AF1/Master Caster Mitts/Omega/Diamond
Prism Cape/Penitent's/Mahatma/Goliard

Returned a ~35% Bind landing rate just today (parsed - varied from 20% to 45% from attempt to attempt).

EDIT: All days during the battles were neutral to ice.
EDIT2: 8/8 Enfeebling merits, 0/5 Ice Magic Accuracy

Btw I haven't tested this half duration sleeps on NMs yet, but have any of you noticed increased resists on non enfeebling magic spells?

I have heard a few DRKs saying they have noticed decreased dark magic accuracy. Personally In sky last night my nukes on gods were being resisted much more then usuall. Anyone else notice this?

Was bored so just went out and tested this out. RDM/NIN solo. I casted Bind 17 times, 16 landed and 10 of those lasted longer than 45 seconds (I have an /echo macro go off every 15 seconds so I know how long its been on). Gravity was resisted once (I don't use grav at the start, only bind because grav resist builds faster in my experience) and Zip died before I had chance to put it up again.

Obviously, can't test sleep on Zip.

Gear isn't that great as I am still missing some key rdm +enfeeb items for spells that +mnd doesn't help potency on. (i.e. hat, cape and legs mostly) . 8/8 enfeeb merited.
I don't feel like typing out my gear, just check my equipment section on my

Weird, which day? I found it odd too cause last time I took him I didn't have that much trouble landing Bind <_< it was just yesterday.

Gravity only resisted once too.

Well zip doesn't belongs to a family of monsters which is affected by SE lasts change :o Golems should be np.

Should be fixed now :p Will go in limbus tonight and check if ghost and doomed sleeping is fine.

i just logged on and didnt d/l an update. and the one yesterday (22nd) said it was for the lower delkfutt's tower glitch.

Why would you need to download something anyway ? It's only server-side.

In Apollyon SW atm, no issue with sleep on fomor, so i guess it's finally fixed.

hes right obi's do not give magic acc, was proven on tests also.
ill post them if need to

Post away. Tested on what ? Weather affect accuracy, that's 100% certains. Same goes for day. Now if we just read the Obi description : "Gain full benefit of Darksday/dark weather bonuses". Bonuses being in plural, so I read potency and accuracy there.

Never tried to compare obi vs INT+5 though. Why ? It would require around 1,000 casts to have be able to notice a difference and I'm too lazy for that :d

Not to mention you'd have to :

-Find a mob which resist sleep partially
-Wait at least 30/45 seconds after each sleep (to clearly separate full resist from half duration resist)
-Could only be done 1hr/day, or when weather is up.
-Repeat the test at least 2x3 time (no obi, p.rope, anrin obi) + doublecheck.

If anyone did that, then post :<

http://robonosto.blogspot.com/search/label/magic%20resist%20analysis

when i get back from work in a few hours ill post the other links to the tests but im busyish atm

it was tested on weather effect accuracy, and with few thousand casts noticed no accuracy bonus.

I've read this already and yet it's still unclear.

yeh the other tests he posted are a lot more clear, but id still trust these since there isn't rly any other tests about it with a high amount of casts.

Well all "decent" BLM knows that blog off course :p

Now one sure thing, as his conclusion said :



Day/weather bonus without obi already proc (something like ~1/4). Then concerning an eventual M.Acc bonus versus 5INT, it would be almost impossible to detect as I said (and as he said). In a such case, I'd rather "might" lose 5INT to get the weather/day bonus and use obi, trusting SE with the description of the item.

But we all agree that without obi, weather/day plays a role in magic accuracy. That's why i would find completely illogical the fact that obi only affect potency and not accuracy.

Anyway in dynamis my sleep resist rate is extremely low, and when I get resisted usually, RDM does too :/ (mobs starting to build resistance, like some bees in dyna tav) so it's not a big deal. Spellcast handle my macro change also, so it's not like switching to anrin obi takes more time or annoys me.

no way to tell without an insane amount of testing if it does tho, could say anything gives magic accuracy from eyeballing.

he just says there is possible accuracy bonus from it.

this makes sense with what we know about how the dmg bonus only works a % of the time, so one would think this applys to accuracy also, but proving it is different.

id rather stick to 5int when casting enfeeble, at least i know for sure its doing something.

but if it does give an accuracy bonus, im sure it would do more than 5 int would do for resist rates.

Acutally, after considerable soloing (from 50-75 and beyond) before I got my sea obis, I would say that Day bonus procs about 15-20% of the time (eyeballing it) and weather bonus procs the same. On days/weathers where it affects the other (meaning casting Burst on a bat pet in Newton during earth weather on thunderday) the proc rate of resists/bonus increases more for the off-day or off-weather (thunder magic on earthday or earth weather) than on-day or on-weather (same as above).

I believe that off-day/weather effect M.Acc a lot more than some people admit, but I don't think on-day/weather helps with M.Acc at all. Thats why I try to not cast Freeze 2 on Puddings on/during Fire Weather/Fireday in Mount Z.

I did test in temenos with 1000 cure, lost my results but it was somewhere 25%. (I first though it was 10%, that's why I did tests, then I saw it was much more important, that's all I wanted to know at the time (long ago)). Might go there and retry. It was double weather tho, but I don't think double weather would affect proc rate.



I try not to also, same goes during earth weather (happen often in Mount Z), i avoid burst/thunder. Now concerning the theory that weather would grants magic accuracy penalty only and no bonus, I just doubt it work that way. The fact is our magic accuracy (with good blm equip) is pretty high already, especially on "lesser" mobs. That's why it's way harder for us to notice any magic accuracy increase. In the other end we tend to notice quickly when our spells starts to fail :/

Would need to try nuking in gimp stuff and compare. I really wish we could use a "dummy" to test magic lol :/

I dont cast AM2 of opp element on those days either but has nothing to do with macc. I get resisted about the same. Its more like that damn -dmg procing throughing everything off almost as much as a half resist would since i barely overkill with AM2 thunder4 blizz4. I only half trust SEs english descriptions. Its not like they don't mislead or are balantly wrong. See pre-update smn merit bps. As far as penitents... psh witch sash. Besides no where in game does it say macc the plural easily could be for mean bonus for day AND bonus for weather. Oh and news flash wiki can be wrong... especially on hard to prove stuff even after its been proven.

But as for the actual topic who cares anymore after allakazam shamed them with that article they supposedly fixed. Odd how it takes something like that or getting in the news for them to fix things that hurt players but they always wanting to "fix" things to screw us over

I just dont understand why sleep duration would be cut in half. Dont make sense.
Maybe they will explain why.

/comfort to all casters