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Evasion and Counter
 Siren.Inuyushi
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-06-20 10:25:59
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Just something that has thrown me for a loop. Ive been working on my MNK and getting it up to snuff. With that said Ive been working on breaking the latent on my Club of Trials (last WS I need to have all MNK Blue procs, w00t). During this process I have been discovering that Counterstance is alot more valuable than previously thought. Let me also say that my evasion is not capped on MNK. What has thrown me for a loop is that while breaking the latent on the Club of Trials I have gotten many Evasion Skill ups while countering.

I thought for Counter to go off you had to fail to evade the enemy and pass the accuracy check on your counter. This says to me that you fail to evade so you can't get a skill up. But at the same time you can get evasion skill ups when getting hit. Just curious on others thoughts on this. I didn't think it could happen til I saw it first hand.

inb4 - lol @ uncapped skills
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-06-20 10:36:01
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your evasion can skill up when you get hit.


*edit* you can test this real fast. make a level 1 char and run around fighting stuff.
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-06-20 10:37:08
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Siren.Inuyushi said:
But at the same time you can get evasion skill ups when getting hit.
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By Siren.Julio 2011-06-20 10:42:12
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You have basically answered your own question.

1. You can get an evasion skill up when getting hit.
2. Counter only occurs when a hit bypasses your evasion.

An evasion skill up off a counter is similar to an evasion skill up off a hit you didn't evade.
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-06-20 10:43:55
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Yea, I realize that. Eh thought it would be an interesting topic but I guess not.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2011-06-20 10:46:25
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Huh. I didn't realize you could get evasion skillups when you didn't get hit!
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-06-20 10:47:53
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Siren.Inuyushi said:
Yea, I realize that. Eh thought it would be an interesting topic but I guess not.
It's not interesting because everyone knew this already.
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-06-20 10:53:02
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Ramuh.Austar said:
Siren.Inuyushi said:
Yea, I realize that. Eh thought it would be an interesting topic but I guess not.
It's not interesting because everyone knew this already.

Reason #213 why I should just stop bothering with ffxiah
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By Sylph.Rorrick 2011-06-21 04:55:45
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Counterstance has been worth fulltiming (barring a few specific scenarios) since 75. Whoever told you it wasn't good is an idiot.

You can get evasion skillups by evading, countering, being hit, and I assume anticipating with Third eye, but I don't play SAM so I dunno about that one.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-06-21 05:04:06
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Sylph.Rorrick said:
Counterstance has been worth fulltiming (barring a few specific scenarios) since 75. Whoever told you it wasn't good is an idiot.

You can get evasion skillups by evading, countering, being hit, and I assume anticipating with Third eye, but I don't play SAM so I dunno about that one.
Yeah, you can.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-08-16 10:19:59
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bogarting necro thread instead of making new:

Mnk is less than a monk old, and i NEVER use it, so forgive me if this is a dumb question:

Can double attack, triple, quad etc, occur during a counter-attack?
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-08-16 10:39:07
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
bogarting necro thread instead of making new:

Mnk is less than a monk old, and i NEVER use it, so forgive me if this is a dumb question:

Can double attack, triple, quad etc, occur during a counter-attack?

a monk old!
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-08-16 10:40:05
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XD
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By Asura.Ina 2011-08-16 10:40:54
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No it would just be a single attack but I'm pritty sure if the mob double/tripple attacks you can counter multiple attacks. Aftermath can proc on counter I think though.
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By Fenrir.Gradd 2011-08-16 11:11:15
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Asura.Ina said: »
Aftermath can proc on counter I think though.

No.