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Claiming FFXI experience on a Federal resume
Serveur: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-23 11:19:57
seiri said: Odin.Zicdeh said: Entertainment is a basic human necessity for wellness. I spend a third of the day asleep, does that mean I'm irresponsible and undesirable? Undesirable is a blanket term. I could call someone who volunteers as a Santa on the holidays undesirable, because he spends so much time with kids on his lap, he's gotta be a pedophile.
And people have been accused of just that.
My point us, unlike Santa volunteers, video game addicts have a decidedly bad reputation and low public standing, in England at least (where I live), and are thus more easily picked at.
We're not talking about an addict here. We're talking about someone who plays videogames. Addiction is a whole different story. And again, that beautifully illustrates this ingrained prejudice even gamers seem to have, that our lifestyle is somehow, innately negative, since you can't seem to differentiate addiction and just dabbling.
By seiri 2011-04-23 11:28:26
Odin.Zicdeh said: seiri said: Odin.Zicdeh said: Entertainment is a basic human necessity for wellness. I spend a third of the day asleep, does that mean I'm irresponsible and undesirable? Undesirable is a blanket term. I could call someone who volunteers as a Santa on the holidays undesirable, because he spends so much time with kids on his lap, he's gotta be a pedophile.
And people have been accused of just that.
My point us, unlike Santa volunteers, video game addicts have a decidedly bad reputation and low public standing, in England at least (where I live), and are thus more easily picked at.
We're not talking about an addict here. We're talking about someone who plays videogames. Addiction is a whole different story. And again, that beautifully illustrates this ingrained prejudice even gamers seem to have, that our lifestyle is somehow, innately negative, since you can't seem to differentiate addiction and just dabbling.
While I am certainly not acting outside of what you call 'ingrained prejudice' I am not saying what I have said without due cause.
Ragnarok.Kurty said: I’ve played this game for 8,000 some hours.
And.
Ragnarok.Kurty said: Online teamwork: July 2009 to March 2011
From a first look at this on a resume, he claimed to have played this game for 21 months, less than two years. 8000 hours is roughly 333 days, nearly an entire year of game play, and over half the entire time of that 21 month period. Apologies if I come over as prejudiced but this is fairly extreme.
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 Carbuncle.Kerokun
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 488
By Carbuncle.Kerokun 2011-04-23 11:29:16
>_> Gamble! Put it down; if the employer calls your bluff, it probably won't look good.
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Serveur: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-23 11:33:28
We don't know how much of that is actual play time, and idle time. Some people only log for maintenance/involuntarily you know.
Famous Case of Tipien on Odin. Dude never logged, but never actually played the damn game. Maybe on average 2 hours a day tops. His playtime last I heard was some 1200 days before he quit, which was some years ago now.
My argument is more for gaming as a whole, and not this particular case though. If we want our Liberal "Equal rights for all" Cake, we've got to eat it too, and extend those rights to, as you call them, "Less Desirable" people.
By seiri 2011-04-23 11:34:59
Odin.Zicdeh said: We don't know how much of that is actual play time, and idle time. Some people only log for maintenance/involuntarily you know.
And the odds of an employer considering this are? Nearly 0. An employer who looks deeply into a resume with this on will simply see the figures.
By seiri 2011-04-23 11:36:18
Odin.Zicdeh said: We don't know how much of that is actual play time, and idle time. Some people only log for maintenance/involuntarily you know.
My argument is more for gaming as a whole, and not this particular case though. If we want our Liberal "Equal rights for all" Cake, we've got to eat it too, and extend those rights to, as you call them, "Less Desirable" people.
I tried to keep my arguments relevant to this case. Generally speaking everyone suffers from some form of prejudice or another.
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Serveur: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-23 11:36:45
seiri said: Odin.Zicdeh said: We don't know how much of that is actual play time, and idle time. Some people only log for maintenance/involuntarily you know.
And the odds of an employer considering this are? Nearly 0. An employer who looks deeply into a resume with this on will simply see the figures.
He said he wasn't going to include his hours played, just the time frame though, your point, and the logic it's based off, have crumbled.
seiri said:
I tried to keep my arguments relevant to this case. Generally speaking everyone suffers from some form of prejudice or another.
I think the case is actually over, the consensus was, Don't do it. So right now we're just locked in an epic pissing contest.
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 Siren.Cherub
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 34
By Siren.Cherub 2011-04-23 11:44:19
seiri
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From a first look at this on a resume, he claimed to have played this game for 21 months, less than two years. 8000 hours is roughly 333 days, nearly an entire year of game play, and over half the entire time of that 21 month period. Apologies if I come over as prejudiced but this is fairly extreme.
Every hour spent in a virtual gaming world is an hour not spent being a productive member of society. That's how I would view it when someone lists that sort of gaming-time on their resume. In fact, that person would probably be a liability rather than an asset.
Sure, all of us game on here...it's recreational. However, it's also about preventing online gaming-time from impinging your ability of being someone who actively participates and contributes to society.
Serveur: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 23653
By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-04-23 11:49:18
You have to *** on most resumes.
Ragnarok.Babygyrl
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 6
By Ragnarok.Babygyrl 2011-04-23 11:49:30
if you want to put it on a resume i wouldn't list it under experience, maybe under skills or and other type of section.. and more then likely in an interview they would ask you to elaborate on it so you have to think about what you would say if that question arises.
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Serveur: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-23 11:50:03
Siren.Cherub said: seiri
Quote:
From a first look at this on a resume, he claimed to have played this game for 21 months, less than two years. 8000 hours is roughly 333 days, nearly an entire year of game play, and over half the entire time of that 21 month period. Apologies if I come over as prejudiced but this is fairly extreme.
Every hour spent in a virtual gaming world is an hour not spent being a productive member of society. That's how I would view it when someone lists that sort of gaming-time on their resume. In fact, that person would probably be a liability rather than an asset.
Sure, all of us game on here...it's recreational. However, it's also about preventing online gaming-time from impinging your ability of being someone who actively participates and contributes to society.
This argument works equally well for EVERY recreational activity on the planet.
How is Rock Climbing productive to society?
How is watching Fox News productive to Society?
How is collecting classic Cars productive to society?
I could go on. Treating gaming differently than another recreation is a prejudice. If you can't see that, you belong in Texas.
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Serveur: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 23653
By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-04-23 11:51:15
Odin.Zicdeh said: Siren.Cherub said: seiri
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From a first look at this on a resume, he claimed to have played this game for 21 months, less than two years. 8000 hours is roughly 333 days, nearly an entire year of game play, and over half the entire time of that 21 month period. Apologies if I come over as prejudiced but this is fairly extreme.
Every hour spent in a virtual gaming world is an hour not spent being a productive member of society. That's how I would view it when someone lists that sort of gaming-time on their resume. In fact, that person would probably be a liability rather than an asset.
Sure, all of us game on here...it's recreational. However, it's also about preventing online gaming-time from impinging your ability of being someone who actively participates and contributes to society.
This argument works equally well for EVERY recreational activity on the planet.
How is Rock Climbing productive to society?
How is watching Fox News productive to Society?
How is collecting classic Cars productive to society?
I could go on. Treating gaming differently than another recreation is a prejudice. If you can't see that, you belong in Texas.
I have to agree with this.
It's no different from reading novels.
By seiri 2011-04-23 11:55:16
Shiva.Flionheart said: Odin.Zicdeh said: Siren.Cherub said: seiri
Quote:
From a first look at this on a resume, he claimed to have played this game for 21 months, less than two years. 8000 hours is roughly 333 days, nearly an entire year of game play, and over half the entire time of that 21 month period. Apologies if I come over as prejudiced but this is fairly extreme.
Every hour spent in a virtual gaming world is an hour not spent being a productive member of society. That's how I would view it when someone lists that sort of gaming-time on their resume. In fact, that person would probably be a liability rather than an asset.
Sure, all of us game on here...it's recreational. However, it's also about preventing online gaming-time from impinging your ability of being someone who actively participates and contributes to society.
This argument works equally well for EVERY recreational activity on the planet.
How is Rock Climbing productive to society?
How is watching Fox News productive to Society?
How is collecting classic Cars productive to society?
I could go on. Treating gaming differently than another recreation is a prejudice. If you can't see that, you belong in Texas.
I have to agree with this.
It's no different from reading novels.
Yet you have to contend with prejudice whether you like it or not. Thats the world...
Back later, time to work~
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-23 11:56:59
Indeed. But the fact that it's acknowledged as nothing more than a prejudice is my only goal.
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Ramuh.Krizz
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 23561
By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-04-23 12:00:52
Someone mentioned on the first page about BSing on resumes. I wouldn't call it BSing as much as "stretching the truth." You have to know how to spin your experiences to make it sound like you're awesome.
Personally, I have to deal with this since my last job didn't have 'deliverables' that I could use to show productivity. My current job, I can actually list projects to fluff it.
As far as the OP goes, you'd have to be careful with that. If they asked you about it, they wouldn't take you seriously once you explained.
If I ever wanted to list this on my resume, I would put it under skills as management or something. I don't think it would be as laughable when explained. Of course, it also depends on the industry.
As far as you personally, management typically frowns upon gaps in employment. You'll have to explain why you were unemployed for that time. As long as you can do that, you should be fine.
(I've been a Marine for 6 years, and a government contractor for ~3. I have a bit of experience with the government. All my experience is at higher echelon commands.)
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-04-23 12:04:29
Ramuh.Krizz said: All my experience is at higher echelon commands.
Then we learned that the FFXIAH staff is really a force in US politics.
The Illumi...taru?
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 1091
By Shiva.Darkshade 2011-04-23 12:29:32
Botting isn't a valuable career skill.
Serveur: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-23 12:32:39
Shiva.Darkshade said: Botting isn't a valuable career skill.
Tell that to the Chinese RMT Empire!
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By Shiva.Darkshade 2011-04-23 12:36:13
Okay man, what applies to the Galgameks doesn't necessarily apply here on Earth.
 Caitsith.Miyavizm
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 14
By Caitsith.Miyavizm 2011-04-23 12:39:15
My opinion on the matter, important to you or not, is that Game is Game and RL is RL. They are 2 very seperate things. Game has no time restrictions for things unless all your time goes into the game and, you have your head so far up your *** you dont listen to other people. Because there is no consequences for being a douchebag ingame lol.
RL jobs and managing and etc, will always have time restrictions. Get your ***done before deadline or some important persons foot is gonna meet your ***. Consequences exist, and will be applied lol.
I would never consider listing any sort of time frame i played a game, or even list "skills" i use ingame, because they are different. Mostly different in ways of: 1 of those "worlds" has real life effects. 1 of those worlds saps your time getting newer pixelations, and does nothing for you really except bragging rights for pixels.
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Serveur: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-23 12:48:24
Caitsith.Miyavizm said: My opinion on the matter, important to you or not, is that Game is Game and RL is RL. They are 2 very seperate things. Game has no time restrictions for things unless all your time goes into the game and, you have your head so far up your *** you dont listen to other people. Because there is no consequences for being a douchebag ingame lol.
Well, aside from becoming a pariah to the community.
Consequences work both ways. Are you doing something because of the consequences, or doing something out of legitimate passion?
Also, can it be said that it's actually a positive point, that someone can command respect and rally support, without there being any tangible "RL" Consequences, like being fired, or kicked in the nuts?
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 Bahamut.Nixak
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 1270
By Bahamut.Nixak 2011-04-23 12:51:58
Odin.Zicdeh said:
How is watching Fox News productive to Society?
I watch Fox News so you should hire me. I know the truth about everyone being Nazis.
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Serveur: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-23 12:54:33
Bahamut.Nixak said: Odin.Zicdeh said:
How is watching Fox News productive to Society?
I watch Fox News so you should hire me. I know the truth about everyone being Nazis.
Pffft, nobody dresses well enough to be Nazis.
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Caitsith.Miyavizm
Serveur: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
Posts: 14
By Caitsith.Miyavizm 2011-04-23 12:55:26
In a game, if somone tries telling you to do something or be kicked from LS, you can just leave and get a new LS in matter of minutes.
I highly doubt that if your told to do something or be fired in RL, that you can quit your job and have a new one in a matter of minutes. Not in the sorry state the worlds in atm. And if people can take control in a game because theres no consequences, more power to them. If they do so in a job in RL as well, knowing consequences exist but doing a good enough job to not care bout them, then even more power to them. Besides the world needs more people that actually do there job properly. (Im one of the few at my workplace that do a proper job every day :P)
Serveur: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-23 13:00:35
Caitsith.Miyavizm said: In a game, if somone tries telling you to do something or be kicked from LS, you can just leave and get a new LS in matter of minutes.
I highly doubt that if your told to do something or be fired in RL, that you can quit your job and have a new one in a matter of minutes. Not in the sorry state the worlds in atm. And if people can take control in a game because theres no consequences, more power to them. If they do so in a job in RL as well, knowing consequences exist but doing a good enough job to not care bout them, then even more power to them. Besides the world needs more people that actually do there job properly. (Im one of the few at my workplace that do a proper job every day :P)
That's all fine, but it doesn't actually address anything I said.
Most jobs are nothing more than an abusive skinner-box scenario, the same as a lot of MMOs, and if you can thrive in one, why not the other, is my main point.
 Fairy.Spence
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-04-23 13:01:58
Would you put it on your resume, Zicdeh?
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Serveur: Odin
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-23 13:07:15
Fairy.Spence said: Would you put it on your resume, Zicdeh?
Would you put down that you're a tool if you're applying to a hardware store?
Asura.Vyre
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By Asura.Vyre 2011-04-23 13:08:04
Gogo gadget Zicdeh-being-awesome!
As for the OP, if that Park Ranger told you that you need to fill in a ton of BS then I'd BS, but try to BS well. That being said, will they actually check into the BS or not, or is it just there as a glance over for them to see if you possess a big experience list? And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you also list that you have to put your hobbies down too? You could list the organizing people in a game as your hobby. I mean, if Drill Instructors and Football coaches can use games(not video(yet) of course) to build team work, and it's sort of similar, then why should it be bad that you do it for fun with random people over the internet? Course, like people have been saying, hardly anybody takes gamers seriously(which is a damn shame, we offer a lot) so it could be a mistake to BS about it. Even in the hobbies section, but I don't know. I think it would be cool, but then again I am young and silly anyway.
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Fairy.Spence
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-04-23 13:18:10
Odin.Zicdeh said: Fairy.Spence said: Would you put it on your resume, Zicdeh?
Would you put down that you're a tool if you're applying to a hardware store?
I'm just curious. There's no need to start flinging insults.
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Serveur: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-23 13:21:03
One point I'll concede out. And that's mostly the pointlessness of it all, mostly because the lack of Verifiability.
Taking Vyre's example of Coaching. It's fairly easy to verify everything. You can look up the league, the players, and even the win/loss record while under your wing.
An MMO "team" on the other hand, is not verifiable, because, for the most part (It is changing as competitive gaming is becoming more ubiquitous) records can't be obtained and verified with a degree of certainty any employer would be comfortable with, add in privacy issues, and you can't even know if people who attest to your ability, are nothing more than sock-puppets.
Fairy.Spence said: Odin.Zicdeh said: Fairy.Spence said: Would you put it on your resume, Zicdeh?
Would you put down that you're a tool if you're applying to a hardware store?
I'm just curious. There's no need to start flinging insults.
I was just joking, sorry.
I actually already stated I wouldn't because of the existing biases. If I felt out a potential employer in an interview, as perhaps being receptive to the idea, and it was relevant, I might drop it in there.
I searched the threads and didn't see this topic addressed... forgive me if a great thread on it already exists somewhere.
Has anyone ever claimed FFXI experience for a federal or high profile job resume? This game requires/required a lot of teamwork (much more so pre-aby), focus/attention span, communication, patience, social networking, coordinating, reciprocating favors/help and more to complete a lot of the goals/missions/kill NMs and more. These are valuable career skills!
I’ve played this game for 8,000 some hours with most of the play time starting around 1 year before aby and spent a lot of time in an endgame event shell and camped/killed KV many times. Among many other things I also coordinated a shout for a couple T3 aby VNMs and got myself and everyone else atma of the beyond and atma of the siren shadow (I just wanted the ocelot trousers)… not the MOST impressive thing ever but juggling tells with 18 random strangers, quickly forming an alliance, communicating the plan and having it all go smoothly demonstrates some desirable job skills.
So, I was thinking of writing something like…
Online teamwork: July 2009 to March 2011
Belonged to an online organization that regularly met to achieve various complicated goals
-Gathered and coordinated a group of 17 strangers to quickly and smoothly meet an objective on multiple occasions.
-Demonstrated teamwork, communication, patience, and focus.
Any other ideas or suggestions?
Oh, and just to be clear I’m not ONLY citing FFXI skills for the resume, I’m just brainstorming how to cite the skills I developed to further support a resume for something like “Volunteer coordinator.”
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