Possible Use For PLD?

You'd literally have to scale things to the point where it's impossible to cap VE via DD for this to be viable. At that point yes PLD is viable, but it also completely breaks the system because DDs would never have to worry about hate after that and could simply go balls to the wall while a PLD or two takes all the hits.

oh, you kids

WHAT THE *** IS WITH YOUR AVATAR?!?!?

Also, CDC isn't a bad ws by any means. People should stop bitching about that.

Heres how you increase the emnity from cure spells.... cure lower lvl targets.

Heres how you decrease the emnity from dmg dealt... fight higher lvl targets.

And CDC will pretty much beat any non empyrean ws lol. I dominate most parties with it on blu

4.25 fTP with a 60% DEX mod is pretty *** hot. The jobs it's attached to have a lot more to do with its status in the eyes of the playerbase than anything else.

Dude my comments were directed totally towards people with PLD as their sole job. If you missed that now you now, and the rest of your comments are void.

As for sanguine being useless you're way off their? Again for those with PLD only, sanguine is their best bet for dmg. It's not hard to gear for/ equip atmas. Then again maybe I'm biased because I have better than average gear and I actively try to acquire every atma I can get my hands on.

Point is, X job does it better is no consolation to people without those jobs. Should people level more jobs? Sure, but that's up to the individual and depends on playtime. Though you may not bring them along on PLD doesn't mean they can't find people who will and if that's not leet or efficient that's nothing you should worry about. Again you're not playing with these people.

At this point having one job is almost inexcusable with how easy it is to level something. It's not even about PLD being completely useless, you should have some versatility in your job selection. The rest of my post is not void just because you cannot or will not form a rebuttal.


If you take three MAB atmas maybe, but that's idiotic. The atma setup for a PLD pretending to DD is something along the lines of VV/RR/AoA, which heavily favors Vorpal Blade. The pathetic amount of MAB/INT PLD can get is not going to close that gap.

The point is, there's no job in the game you can point to and say "PLD does X better than this job." It doesn't tank, it doesn't nuke, it doesn't heal, and it doesn't DD. My not playing with horrible players is no worse an argument than you playing with a linkshell of PLD-only players. Just because you can find someone dumb enough to want a PLD for something does not mean it's worth bringing, and it's also not worth bringing just because its the only job that person has.

Can I go and create a shout group for something on PLD? Yeah, I probably could scrounge up enough people if I'm patient enough. That doesn't mean I should be on PLD, which is the entire problem.

As far as CDC goes, the weaponskill is nice, the jobs attached to it aren't. Saying it beats non-Emp weaponskills is like reminding me the sky is blue. Honestly, I wonder if PLD/SAM with Caladbolg would parse better than PLD with Almace.

I wrote my posts for a target audience that plays PLD and isn't interested in other jobs or perhaps is unwilling/ unable. Whether that's the right or best choice is irrelevant because I can't read minds.

From that position all I attempted to do was just encourage those players to be as useful as possible. PLD may be passe at the moment or useless if you want to be meant about it, however it can proc triggers and it does have 2 WS available to do that do some dmg. The PLD audience I wrote for in my initial post should focus on acquiring all those triggers and doing what they can to maximize dmg on those two WS.

Again if this is not how you play the game because you have X jobs at 80/85/90 then keep on trucking. Surprise you're not my intended audience! To that end, keep faith my fellow shield bearers the wheel will eventually turn. About a year ago blu and dnc were on the outside looking in. Things will eventually change...

Wouldn't be fair to make PLD stronger. PLD isn't supposed to be a damage dealer. Right now any job with a WHM can pretty much tank cuz doesn't matter how much damage they take whm can just spam cure. So either change the damage taken so that they can't tank anymore compared to a tank (which would still suck cuz DDs will cap hate faster than PLD and just die) or change how the hate system works! What's wrong with that idea :(

DDs used to have this thing called restraint in order to keep them from dieing... as well as TA hijinks

MNK and SAM tank better than PLD (with arguably equivalent or better damage mitigation) and do more damage. How's that fair?

Reworking the hate system doesn't really work because as long as PLD generates enmity so slowly DDs will always cap faster and have an easier time staying there. You'd have to rework it to the point where damage generates next to nothing, but then you break the game so that DDs can go nuts without a care in the world while a PLD eats all the damage.

Letting PLD generate enmity quickly doesn't fix the problem either because there's still no incentive to take it to anything since MNK, SAM and NIN all deal better damage and survive just as well or better than PLD.

Edit for the guy from before: your "intended audience" not only has nothing to do with whether or not PLD needs a buff, but is unlikely to even read your post if they're confident (or dumb enough) enough to think that the only job they need to level is PLD.

What sort of job hierarchy do you see for tanking ironclads?

MNK, WAR & NIN > the rest? Ironclads are jokes.

wouldn't be easier to just adjust PLD's hate and their max enmity, and their defense?

edit: assuming they give a rats *** if the job is useful or not.

You misunderstood. I was trying to demonstrate the hole that PLD is in. They don't deserve a ws that good for no work, yet it's the only way they'll ever even come close to usefulness again.

I was just throwing an idea out there, quite frankly I don't give 2 shits about PLD :D

This.

Most people who do give a ***about PLD still have delusions of it's usefulness, and won't be found in a thread like this.

ITT: I leveled PLD and iMad

They did that with DNC :<

oh look its this thread again

You just don't get it. If the hate system was reworked PLD would not be useless >anymore<. It is right now. Ppl are mad because of that. SE needs to do something about it. Change hate system and voila PLD might be useful again compared to other jobs. Right now it is not but who knows what they have planned for the future. Not like I give a ***about PLD it is just an idea how they might make it useful. What does it matter if they have A in club or staff. If PLD was meant to be a DD then SE did something wrong from the start and Why would Paladin be a DD srsly.. In no other game is that a DD.

who just doesn't get it? nobody cares if pld can only hold hate better. in order for pld to be useful, they either have to do more damage, which would be an unlikely adjustment, or it has to be difficult for every other job to tank mobs without dying.

edit: oh yeah, or be a better healer.