Random Thoughts.....What Are You Thinking?

In that vein, still waiting for a pay to unban

Million dollar idea. (well it would have been, anymore idk, who would actually pay a $50+ fee to come back now)

If you offer the service to unban, then youre making more interesting for SE to turn on the autoban in every single detection they have.

Im pretty sure the ban process is nothing more than a pile of papers distributed in ~6 desks, each with an employee that grab the first one, that contain a report, then he checks the logs, images, deliver a judgment, archive the paper and grab the next one, and so on.

A common employee that enters at 8:00am and leaves at 17:00. He bans everyone which paper he can read, and whats unread, gets back to the original pile to be redistributed the next day.

Do notice this year the ban numbers dropped a lot. This could be due less players in game, but I would bet SE reduced to half the STF team, what would explain a cut in almost 50% of the avarage number of bans in 2023

Multiboxing is good for short term profit but detrimental for long term. Since manager positions rarely stick around for more than 4 years you'll rarely see large companies routing for long term profit.

I doubt multiboxers are the leader type, either way, multiboxing also removes a possible body for pickup groups so it doesn't matter if they are leaders or followers, it does damage.

Nah, this theory doesnt confirm in practice.

In reality, multiboxers tend to be the people who helps the most the others because they are many times the resorces of single players. They can afford giving up many and many drops, earning for others.

Generally, multiboxers can put up an event on their own and add many others to either replace a mule, or simply fill the party.

I think only once or twice I ever see someone recusing a real people for a mule.

But very often I see multiboxing guys calling everyone to alliance content like UNM, Omen, Vagary. Or call those random THF, DRG, WAR and they fill the suportive role so everyone can play what they want.

Multiboxing is only a fraction detrimental what trusts are, and I dont think either is that bad for the overall community.

The problem isnt the tools but the current mindset. Nowaday people simply dont want to invest themselves in anything. Loads of players really dont even make an effort to interact with others. Dozens of LS Ive seen with pages and pages of players, and not a single letter in chat for an entire hour

Yes, thats kind of the point. Sell unbans. Progressively get stronger on the bans.

This is called smart business. Sell a solution to a problem you created.

(*)However noting that it would have worked, not sure who would still do it now

I know who reported Samuraiking:

Isn't multiboxing trusts on steroids?

If anything trusts help to reach endgame without having to rely as much on the help of others but for endgame itself they are irrelevant.

The damage isn't done at legacy content with easy difficulty where you can drag someone along to feel generious for a moment. The damage is done at endgame.

I think I should receive a permanent COR buff for this

Now that Xmans is over, they really did a not bad job on everything but that janky animation.

Best part being wolverine only got like 5 total minutes of screentime and it was almost exclusively where he matters at all. fights.

I read that as "Now that Xmas is over" and it made me seriously stop and think about what time of year it was.

More like trusts are gimped multiboxing because the latter came first


Most of your playtime you wont be spending in endgame but in daily stuffs like grinding JP/EP.

Back them, it would make sense to form a party for most minor things.

But nowaday, everyone would expect you to pull the trusts for everything but hard things.

Constantly forming parties build relationships.


I did say that I dont think neither multibox nor trusts are actually hurting the game. But its silly blaming multiboxing when the concept is the same for trusts.

King Charles unveiling himself as an Elden Ring DLC boss

Their investors and stock price would take a big hit with the accompanying publicity
“Japanese company allows cheaters to pay to rejoin game after ban” moral outrage etc

Good morning you who was rightfully banned. Also you, who was undeservedly banned.

And also you who wasnt banned YET!

wo... ff8 ai generated game intro trailer

also, I asked about a vid for new master trial if anyone did it yet.

nothing, but I found a JP group made a vid.


1hr 40min mark

Ok, last dungeon in SMT3.

My party is already OP af, let the credits roll.

Will I find my own Reason?

multiboxer in generous mood: I'm gonna go kill [content]. You can come with me and lot what I don't want(or collect party drops).
(You'll have no impact on the outcome of the fight, but if you're lucky you get buffs so you aren't just straight leeching. Your presence at the fight is a privilege granted to you by the multiboxer, you aren't earning your slot.)
multiboxer in efficient mood: *kills [content] with no discussion with anyone*

solo player in generous mood: I'm bored, anyone need help with anything? I can even go support if it's interesting enough!
solo player in efficient mood: Doing [content], need [job], locking [item] but rest is free!

It's not just about whether people get help or get to be present at content, player retention requires giving players something to do. Leeching off the ls multiboxer isn't sustainable gameplay long term (god knows how many people I've seen quit if they are given too much 'free' help to catch up effortlessly). Content that can be easily multiboxed on a server with multiboxers is no longer treated as real content for people who are at the gear levels where they should be grouping for it.

There is a flip side to that also, as I am sure you know.

New player likes DD jobs and does not like support jobs. Has one job geared at a level that can do 2016 content, Omen, a dd onry Nin.

Group invites DD onry Nin to Omen saying you can do anything, some bosses we'll ask you not to fight because it's too dangerous and they have risky TP moves. Most support jobs are boxed cause people don't like playing them.

They get buffed same way as everyone else and contribute on the way up and on some bosses where there's less risk.

DD onry Nin gets some good gear, improves their job. Hopefully learns that being single DD job onry does not work in group content and you need a whole bunch of support jobs to even attempt them, as well as job variety for everyone.

When you also can only have one dd, that dd needs to pull a whole bunch of weight on their own.

"What am I doing in this fight?"

"Sit on a chair. That move right there is an instant KO if in range, we can only have one dd in there. That move on that other boss absorbs buffs, can only have one person in range."


Hopefully uses newly found knowledge to gain some job variety, helped with the new gear they got.

Solo player with support jobs is not a thing in my experience. They won't have issues getting parties if they can actually play that support job well.

Blaming multiboxers for the practicality of gearing their own support jobs out of a lack of support jobs in real people is missing the issue by a mile, IMO.

The other option is no one does any content or you have 4 Wars, a drg and a super stressed out whm with no support. That's no fun for anyone.

You have just described carrying. In a healthy game, the path to catching up is not relying on being carried. Omen isn't difficult content, a NIN in relatively basic gear with a couple other hybrid-ey DPS (blu, dnc?) could certainly clear it without being carried.

So you're saying they should be carried through content they're almost ready for, and that will teach them they need to go support so they can be carried through content they're further from being ready for? The whole attitude is just not condusive to player retention. The goal of the game isn't to sit in town wearing V30 gear, it's to gradually increase your power while making friendships.


I meant solo in terms of not multiboxing.

There are no support jobs because multiboxers exist. Horizon is a perfect example of this. Nobody multiboxes, mages aren't magically more interesting, their playerbase is smaller than Asura's, yet they still have enough mages to do whatever content they want to do. The early multiboxers(I was one of the first, I'm not innocent here) had healers available to pull from. They just wanted to *always* have a healer available with no effort.

Without multiboxers, playing a support role gave you a fast track to friends, groups, and gear. That means more people will play support roles, because their dedication to [job] isn't as great as their desire to advance. With multiboxers, your WHM is competing with 3-5 yagrush mules running bots per linkshell. Your BRD is completing with RMEA(p) mules in every linkshell. Your GEO isn't even good enough for PUG because everyone has an Idris mule. Your COR might get a pass on occasion since roll differences aren't that huge, but probably not, since there are CORs with Nyame25-30 and multiple RMEA.

A support might be more desirable than a DPS from a new player, but it's not anything near what it would be if not for the immense volume of support mules around.

Yup, completely agree. Omen isn't difficult content, and there are other people in the same boat that also need Omen gear and have jobs geared enough to do it.

Do these people say "let's team up and do this not so difficult 8 year old content together"? No, most would rather join an existing group and not have to learn how to do it the hard way because it's easier to be carried than learn mechanics.

Same way you have hordes of people lacking basic V5 clears and no interest in grouping up together to do it. Further exasperated by a merc onry culture on some big servers.


It still does. Yet people still don't play them. What does that say.


No, I am saying they should be making their own groups with like minded people to do this content with. But they don't/won't.

I don't think sitting in town AFK because the hordes of people that want this content don't want to make groups is beneficial to anyone either.

Socialise, make some friends, learn a few things along the way. That's the way it goes. Yes, some amount of carry at first while learning is to be expected.

I don't expect a person missing all Omen gear with ambu only gear to contribute significantly in a boss fight. They're there, they do dmg, hopefully learn about mechanics. Next time they do better. I don't think that's a carry, just a less experienced person learning from more experienced people.

The option to be carried exists as widely as it does because you don't need a whole group any more, you just need one friend with mule(s).

It doesn't. No group is sitting out their yagrush emp+3 WHM mule for a new player with a few pieces of nq kaykaus and 109 emp. They aren't sitting out their RMEAP bard to get 3 songs and no honor march. The bar for mages is high because nobody has to be a mage main to get all the benefits from their mule.

People take the easiest path. With heavy multiboxing, the easiest path is being carried. Without heavy multiboxing, the paradigm is considerably different. How many of the folks carrying new players would be able to do that single boxing with the newbie eating one of their trust slots?

Ambuscade+2 gear is around the same as anything that existed when Omen was released, and the limit is no longer 6man. Ambuscade weapons are on par with anything you could have owned when Omen existed. Content like Lilith and AMAN Trove allows solo players to get gear far in excess of what existed at the time of Omen, and that's before you get into empyrean 109(also totally soloable) and 119/+2 (doable in small group with ambuscade gear). The path exists and isn't even immensely time consuming, it's just been eroded by the crowd who think they're doing someone a favor by carrying them straight up.

Completely agree, and have this conversation with people all the time.

"It's easy to get empy+2, Sortie is soloable for that amount. That's how I got mine."

Does not bother doing Sortie for months because doesn't want to learn how.

"Hey can I come to Sortie with you guys?"

"Yeah, sure, do you know much about the objectives?"

"Nope."

"Okay.. objective here for bursts, need SC and bursts you can close with <ws>."

Eventually learns not to interrupt SC so can get stuff done.

Should the group instead refuse to take them in favour of a boxed character? Or should they say "nah, go away and learn the objectives first".

Not seeing a way out here. You take them that's bad and you're carrying and not doing them any favours.

You don't take them they don't bother learning anything on their own or soloing any of the gear they can solo eventually quit because multiboxers ruined the game.

What's next. I am genuinely asking.

You can't force people to lead and make groups. Yes, multiboxers tend to be the ones that make groups and it reduces their incentive to do it by having boxes.

Is the solution stop all boxing and force everyone to group up? That already happens with high level content because of many reasons, mainly MMOs are inherently social games and it's more fun to play with others than box everything.

Yes, I have seen and been in groups that dropped full REMA boxed brds for a real person 3 song brd with no aeonic. Not for Sortie no, but Dyna, Omen, aeonic fights. It's doable, I've done it. But the hope is that they'll learn and keep going, which rarely happens.

In future, we gonna have those AI having a casual conversation with us.

Not long before we even prefer talking with AI instead “real” people, despite all being data

It's a gamewide cultural problem. I'm not arguing that your personal actions now will fix anything. I'm stating that the actions of multiboxers have created this environment. If someone sees they can get 35000 galli being carried by a decent group while contributing nothing, they are not going to be motivated to go do it themselves for 5000. It doesn't matter that you told them how an objective worked, you ruined the effort:reward scale on that event and as long as they're unable to do the same runs you can they aren't going to feel it's worthwhile to do at all.

Having such a surplus of player strength that carrying is easy and accessible to new players absolutely destroys the motivation for them to group. Again, look at Horizon. People group for everything, they play content. It's not because the content is better or easier(it's objectively simpler, retail progress has options both easier than the easiest era stuff and harder than the hardest era stuff). It's because there isn't a surplus of people willing to carry through everything, so the only option is to actually group up if you want to make progress.

Come on dude, the hardest content Horizon has is XP-ing. You can do that with any riff raff 6 person group regardless the jobs. Even easier when you have overpowered bsts and thieves because "balance".

Horizon doesn't group everything because of lack of multiboxers, it groups everything because everyone can go on pretty much any job and it doesn't effing matter cause the difficulty level is just not there.

It is technically possible to 6 box HM Aminon, but it's sweaty *** thing to do that most people don't want to.

Is there a multitude of players that have the gear, jobs and ability to do HM Aminon? No. Is that a fault of the content, the people that do that content, or their own lack of interest to gear up the needed jobs to the needed level to do that kind of fight.

To come back to your argument, I'm not carrying anyone for 30k gal if they contribute nothing indefinitely. If they need help to get some gear sure I'll take them a couple times. Beyond that they need to contribute. My 5-6 real people group has taken lots of carries that would not improve nor contribute even after getting multiple +3s. We just don't invite them anymore. /shrug.

If this person doesnt want to learn the ropes and wants to be carried (or even worse, winds up being a deterrent due to not knowing things and does their own thing because "its my 12.95"), then the leader of the decent group should tell this person "off is the direction you can ***" and find a 6th person who can contribute and turn 35000 into 40000 or 45000, or just roll with 5 and either a multibox or a trust that will contribute.

SMT3 finished

Ive found my Reason, and thats that all you guys are wrong!

Gonna try learning a bit of video editing before SMt4.

Dang, if its not much of a hassle, just gonna drop story cutscenes anywhere

Ubisoft stocks are plummeting worse than SEs stock price lol