Ochain

Eh, hate mechanics are sort of an issue since DDs can effortlessly maintain hate over healers. The damage mitigation available to DD jobs is definitely the bigger issue though.

Caps, for everyone. Then it turns from the PLD to someone else with capped hate and bounces around.

Pft, why /nin when you can make a whole alliance assist you in bloodtanking!

If you'r gonna do something inefficient, why not do it as inefficient as possible :p But well, if we get group3 merits that allow us to lower manawall recast, it could actually be kinda interesting xD

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That kind of comment suprise me coming from you Nightfyre, take 1 ninja and 1 THF, and trust me way before NM reach 50% of his HP bar, you will cap, and you can notice easy, because blade:jin will do 1k dmg and evi will do 4k and as soon thf loose 1 shadow ninja get back the hate and thf get back the hate as soon ninja loose one shadow. HATE is caped at this point.

So put a PLD as tank(loosing HP none stop wich is >> loosing 1 shadow) and add up the DD that can CAP hate in no time (25% of NM health) then GL for them to tank. Of course MNK do better even loosing more HP (blodotank again) but the DMG he deal with counter + normal DMG make mnk able to keep his hate on CAP, same as blink tank can do.

They don't need to give more DMG to pld, but just raise the HATE CAP or even better, reduce the hate by tons from DD.

Of course reduce enmity lost form PLD wont fix ***, since DD already able to CAP hate in the first 25% NM health.

Of course the hate system was BROKEN @ 75 way before abyssea, who don't remember on JoL, the only damn way you could reset BLM hate from nuking is death or blm take dmg to reduce hate, bc ya AS FAR AS I KNOW, BLM DO NOT LOOSE HATE OVER TIME on they nuke, until they actually take DMG, and same apply to all DD...

Oh and don't forget to rate me down, after all, all i say is so wrong lol

Stop misquoting and ignoring sarcasm.

What he said was preceded by "itt:"
which means he's making fun of someone else who clearly doesn't understand the hate system in ffxi

Also there is this thing called volatile emnity that actually does go down over time and applies to everyone.

That kind of comment suprise me coming from you Nightfyre, take 1 ninja and 1 THF, and trust me way before NM reach 50% of his HP bar, you will cap, and you can notice easy, because blade:jin will do 1k dmg and evi will do 4k and as soon thf loose 1 shadow ninja get back the hate and thf get back the hate as soon ninja loose one shadow. HATE is caped at this point.

They don't need to give more DMG to pld, but just raise the HATE CAP or even better, reduce the hate by tons from DD.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, BLM DO NOT LOOSE HATE OVER TIMEon they nuke, until they actually take DMG, and same apply to all DD...

ya, sadly is only oriented on enf. spell and JA :( that another issue. (kinda)

I suggest you read kanicans testing or just take a look at hte tables.

Curing gives 6X as much VE as CE. Dealing dmg gives 3X as much VE as CE.

people nuked jol down? lol

y u no have kclub drks

i should take a look on it, i am kinda outdated from last few update SE did on hate.

Where i can find info Dasva and is still up to date?

It's kinda old minus the new spells/jas and rdm nerf. http://kanican.livejournal.com/13235.html.

But the tables haven't been updated since 8/27/2010. So none of the new ja/spells

oh that what mean itt :( my bad i really did not know >< sorry Nightfyre ; ;

Well even on PLD if I throw on RR/DD atmas etc I can at least put out high enough numbers to keep enmity up there, albeit a lot slower than DDs can.

If they did either of these DDs could just do tons of DMG and not worry about ever pulling hate. That would break the game way more

The constant huge blaze spikes kinda sucks without phalanx to at least mininmize it. Most the tp moves can deal a good 1.5-2k dmg even with 2-3 shadows up. Was hitting me for like 400-500 + like 50+ enfire I think. Decent acc. Like sometimes had a hard time keep shadows up with just haste on thf. But no evasion gear besides dagger and it double attacks alot

Is this shield enough to get PLD back on track with tanking? I know it has 90% block rate, 25% damage converted to MP etc, but is it really worth it?

Barfira from whm. No fire resist atma. Shell V. MDB minor atma set. 2hr dmg range was pretty high. Like as low as 1500ish up to 4kish. Was weird. No brd carols. Orthus was a bit easier in alot of ways

Almace is bigger than Ochain for PLD at the moment in terms of making it a functional "tank" in group events though Ochain adds more in terms of lowman function.

I fully intend to level my PLD as a DD onry as soon as I get 85Almace when the servers come up <_> should be funny to be able to outDD the vast majority of players on either my melee RDM or PLD.