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Ghetto Ascetic's Fury build
Bahamut.Dionikes
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By Bahamut.Dionikes 2010-12-04 12:42:44
Hello all. I have been recently been working on a build for this, which is to say, a ghetto one.
There is a thread in the mnk forums showing quite an uber one, af3+2, haichiryu haidate, and all that, but im working on a little bit more limited budget/time constraint so please any tips would be appreciated.
Sorry to list my gear, im bad at this and last time someone got mad about me typing all my gear out lol, they wanted SS.
Because its a 1 hit ws i know acc doesnt matter, so im curious if certain pieces work.
My setup atm is this
h2h - fire +8str 18 att
ammo - tantra tath
head - genbu kubota
neck - flame gorget, im wondering since 1 hit if faith torque is better
ear1 - kemas earring
ear2 - flame earring
body - Kirins Osode
hands - i have af+1, which are 6 str, would alkys work better here until heafoc mitts?
ring1 - flame
ring2 - spiral ring
back - bit of confusion here, i have cuch mantle, any other suggestions?
waist - warwolf
legs - ugg shura haidate, i have af3+2 legs but no str there. I have no access to +10 str legs, any other pieces im missing?
feet - i have af3+1, which is 6 str, i've looked around, and looks like only thing that beats that is +2 of course for str.
So do i just shoot for straight str and vit? and the heck with all else? Does attack work in there at any time or no because of 1 hit.
I can prob dump a bout 5m into the build, so im open to a few options, but didnt want to get too crazy. Thank you guys for reading this, i have seen some amazing A. Fury ws numbers and am looking foward to rocking.
I do have RR and VV atmas, but i typically go with gnarled horn and RR if tanking, so it limits the str. I do also have Sanguine scythe
Bahamut.Wakabo
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By Bahamut.Wakabo 2010-12-04 12:50:24
Brutal earring feels left out.
Sylph.Krsone
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By Sylph.Krsone 2010-12-04 12:51:04
This my old build for tornado kick, i got tantra feet+1 now, which is what I use over marine M boots for AFury now too. The only other change is gorgets, I use flame for AFury and yes I believe it is better than faith torque.
And no it isnt a one hit ws, its a two hit ws that can double attack upto twice, so with delay on my weapon it goes 5tp 10tp 11 and 12tp, which for me is rare 12tp but thats when you get the 4k ws. Confirmation of this courtesy of Tigerwoods.
edit : weapon would be taipan+1 not ursine also
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Bahamut.Dionikes
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By Bahamut.Dionikes 2010-12-04 12:51:22
Hmm good point, probably should slap that in over flame huh
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-12-04 12:51:39
Since it's a Hand to hand Weaponskill isn't it a 2 hit weaponskill? Just how Dual wield adds an extra hit after whatever WS your using?
Edit: Sorry Krsone beat me too it.
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By Sylph.Krsone 2010-12-04 13:00:43
If you got no hachi pants or cerb+1 use foragers over cuch mantle its cheap now and useful for asuran fists too and use shura over af3 or bhaidate also.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-12-04 13:06:29
Your profile shows you having rajas. Why would you use flame ring over it?
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-12-04 13:09:41
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Your profile shows you having rajas. Why would you use flame ring over it? INT?
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Bahamut.Dionikes
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By Bahamut.Dionikes 2010-12-04 14:30:14
Derp ya my bad. I meant Spiral/rajas. I was using rajas/flame but snagged spiral.
So use b.haidate over shura?
What you guys think about alkys and flame gorget over af+1 and faith torque.
I was thinking that faith torque would be better because i dont need the acc from torque, however i believe torque does give dmg boost as well.
My last question is atmas, i have RR VV sanguine scythe and gnarled horn.
I cant lose RR crit, its just too damn good.
I was thining VV because of the 50 str, but a lot of ppl tell me sanguine because of the crit dmg
Gnarled horn gives another 20% crit rate on top of 30 from RR, if ascetics fury is crit based, would that be the best combo? Even over the 50 str from VV?
Phoenix.Kirana
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2010-12-04 14:59:23
VV will almost definately pull ahead as far as overall DPS goes, thanks to the 2/tick regain. If you plan on tanking though, definitely use gnarled horn. the +20% crit damage on sanguine isn't going to help as much as the other 2, and not using sanguine allows you to play with +crit damage gear instead (if monk has any?).
Bahamut.Serj
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-12-04 15:12:39
Heafoc can be replaced by Alky's.
Hachiryu can be replaced by Shura.
RR + VV will win damage wise. GH is better for tanking.
In abyssea, you shouldn't really worry about dex for crit rates because you'll have +90 or so dex and should be capping regardless.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-12-04 15:51:54
Quote: VV will almost definately pull ahead as far as overall DPS goes
Definitely is more like very slightly and by very slightly I mean they're almost identical w/ VV a fraction ahead. Unless you're using staff a lot to proc red !!s and need the regain, should pretty much always be RR/GH
Bahamut.Serj said:
Heafoc can be replaced by Alky's.
Hachiryu can be replaced by Shura.
RR + VV will win damage wise. GH is better for tanking.
In abyssea, you shouldn't really worry about dex for crit rates because you'll have +90 or so dex and should be capping regardless.
Anguinis belt was mathed to be better, provided fstr is capped (which it should be) and attack is not. (which may or may not be the case)
Also where's the brutal?
as far as torque vs gorget, gorget and yes Alky's over af+1
Bahamut.Serj
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-12-04 16:01:23
Fffffffffffff, forgot brutal when making that set. I do keep brutal on for HF/TK etc >_> whatever, I'll go fix it.
Didn't know about anguinis. Good to know.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-12-04 16:05:11
There, better? Would anguinis be better out of abyssea (assuming new content comes out that is scaled correctly to our levels)?
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-12-04 16:06:12
Ragnarok.Zedge said: Does KO pull ahead of Loki's for AFury?
Thanks~ I'd have to double check the math thread on alla, but I'm pretty sure Loki is a slight slight slight victory
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-12-04 16:08:36
Bahamut.Serj said:
There, better? Would anguinis be better out of abyssea (assuming new content comes out that is scaled correctly to our levels)? yea that looks better and from a pure dmg standpoint, outside of abyssea, I don't see anguinins winning for max damage, but while fstr becomes uncapped, not much hope for acc in a build w/ that kind of gear on, so anguinins would probably still win.
Ragnarok.Terazuma
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By Ragnarok.Terazuma 2010-12-04 16:52:42
Currenty using rajas/strigoi for ascetic's. Should I swap strigoi over to spiral?
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-12-04 17:50:03
Bahamut.Dionikes said: Hello all. I have been recently been working on a build for this, which is to say, a ghetto one.
There is a thread in the mnk forums showing quite an uber one, af3+2, haichiryu haidate, and all that, but im working on a little bit more limited budget/time constraint so please any tips would be appreciated.
Sorry to list my gear, im bad at this and last time someone got mad about me typing all my gear out lol, they wanted SS.
Because its a 1 hit ws i know acc doesnt matter, so im curious if certain pieces work.
My setup atm is this
h2h - fire +8str 18 att
ammo - tantra tath
head - genbu kubota
neck - flame gorget, im wondering since 1 hit if faith torque is better
ear1 - kemas earring
ear2 - flame earring
body - Kirins Osode
hands - i have af+1, which are 6 str, would alkys work better here until heafoc mitts?
ring1 - flame
ring2 - spiral ring
back - bit of confusion here, i have cuch mantle, any other suggestions?
waist - warwolf
legs - ugg shura haidate, i have af3+2 legs but no str there. I have no access to +10 str legs, any other pieces im missing?
feet - i have af3+1, which is 6 str, i've looked around, and looks like only thing that beats that is +2 of course for str.
So do i just shoot for straight str and vit? and the heck with all else? Does attack work in there at any time or no because of 1 hit.
I can prob dump a bout 5m into the build, so im open to a few options, but didnt want to get too crazy. Thank you guys for reading this, i have seen some amazing A. Fury ws numbers and am looking foward to rocking.
I do have RR and VV atmas, but i typically go with gnarled horn and RR if tanking, so it limits the str. I do also have Sanguine scythe
Torque is not raising your D at this level, with merits we're 1 skill off.
Swap flame earring for brutal.
Alky's would work ignoring accuracy, though I'm assuming it's close to if not capped.
Forager's should do better than Cuch.
Dunno what you mean by 1hit=no attack. Attack works just like normal on WS besides things like y/g/k
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-12-04 18:25:05
Ragnarok.Terazuma said: Currenty using rajas/strigoi for ascetic's. Should I swap strigoi over to spiral?
For max WS dmg you should swap rajas to strigoi, but idk if the stp-loss is worth it over time?
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By Ifrit.Hitoseijuro 2010-12-04 19:56:49
warwolf belt > Ang belt when capped on acc/att(chances are you might use when focus is down)
Heafoc mitts > Bandos when attack is capped, otherwise bandos will be better. With dia2 youll want around 720-740 attack on some mobs to cap. I dont know what it is for NMs probably higher.
A.Fury is a 2 hit ws, not 1 hit. Being 1hit has nothing to do with attack, thats Y/G/K hidden attack mods and a few others. The first hit to ws get a huge boost in acc which most of the time puts them to acc cap.
By kingx 2010-12-24 08:45:11
mm like drakesbane on lvl75 i always prefer dex >str.. Heafoc should be better option but alky doesnt gimp dex to much? (elvaan monk) Count ascetic real power is based on double critical.. what about no capped dex? will misshit/1critical.. Looking for setup give at least the 80% of double critical when i use Ascetic.. Looking for help cuz atm dont have Kirin osode so i lost some dex but still using byakko/Destroyer/RR/VV.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-12-24 08:55:04
As long as you have your abyssites of furtherance and razed ruins, you're going to be capping dex. Don't mind dex- gear, if it has the most str+ u can get, use it.
Basically, just *** str in every slot, spiral > str+6 earring though and Warwolf > black belt cause of the VIT mod as well. So keep mind of that.
By kingx 2010-12-24 09:00:17
Probably sometimes i get some no crit for high agi Mob? Cuz some Nm takes 1,6+ which ascetic, anyway thx!
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-12-24 09:09:28
I haven't come across a single mob since I've gotten razed ruins that my crit rate was not capped on.
By kingx 2010-12-24 09:17:04
Got this doublt cuz at 75 i remember every sigle dex was important for critical Drakesbane.. Also used Critical grip but now idk To much change..
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-12-24 09:19:01
kingx said: Got this doublt cuz at 75 i remember every sigle dex was important for critical Drakesbane.. Also used Critical grip but now idk To much change.. This isn't lv 75
Razed ruins is 50 dex
Furtherace x3 is 40 dex (more if bastion/dominion doing good).
did you get 90 FREE DEX at lv 75? No, you didn't.
You have way more dex with dex- gear than you ever did at 75 w/ no atma.
Hello all. I have been recently been working on a build for this, which is to say, a ghetto one.
There is a thread in the mnk forums showing quite an uber one, af3+2, haichiryu haidate, and all that, but im working on a little bit more limited budget/time constraint so please any tips would be appreciated.
Sorry to list my gear, im bad at this and last time someone got mad about me typing all my gear out lol, they wanted SS.
Because its a 1 hit ws i know acc doesnt matter, so im curious if certain pieces work.
My setup atm is this
h2h - fire +8str 18 att
ammo - tantra tath
head - genbu kubota
neck - flame gorget, im wondering since 1 hit if faith torque is better
ear1 - kemas earring
ear2 - flame earring
body - Kirins Osode
hands - i have af+1, which are 6 str, would alkys work better here until heafoc mitts?
ring1 - flame
ring2 - spiral ring
back - bit of confusion here, i have cuch mantle, any other suggestions?
waist - warwolf
legs - ugg shura haidate, i have af3+2 legs but no str there. I have no access to +10 str legs, any other pieces im missing?
feet - i have af3+1, which is 6 str, i've looked around, and looks like only thing that beats that is +2 of course for str.
So do i just shoot for straight str and vit? and the heck with all else? Does attack work in there at any time or no because of 1 hit.
I can prob dump a bout 5m into the build, so im open to a few options, but didnt want to get too crazy. Thank you guys for reading this, i have seen some amazing A. Fury ws numbers and am looking foward to rocking.
I do have RR and VV atmas, but i typically go with gnarled horn and RR if tanking, so it limits the str. I do also have Sanguine scythe
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