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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-09 16:43:27
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
why even bring this up, the only thing you're suggesting excelior is to incerase the gun laws, there's no reason to throw somebody in jail for life for pulling a gun(if not used) nore is there reason to exclude all violence or for any criminal record. Also no retards shouldn't own guns (which would include a lot of rednecks, which is funny)
and you.
ah back to the fun avatar

I'm legally allowed to own a gun, thank you.
you said shouldn't.
which is should not.
which is not cannot.

You can own something without it being legal.

To say they shouldn't be allowed means it shouldn't be legal.

I can legally own a gun (and a passage of such a law wouldn't change this fact).
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By Asura.Emoneaone 2010-11-09 16:43:34
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Fenrir.Schutz said:

One would imagine that a military base would have MPs on duty to address the shooting spree, but it was civilian police that arrived on the scene first to dispatch the shooter.
Army posts are "open", not fenced off with gate/check points you have to pass through to enter. The MPs were on their way, the civilian cops just happened to be closer. Fort Hood is HUGE! About 158,000 acres. MPs can't be everywhere!
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-09 16:46:28
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
You can own something without it being legal.

To say they shouldn't be allowed means it shouldn't be legal.

I can legally own a gun (and a passage of such a law wouldn't change this fact).

technically i should correct myself..
you said "no retards shouldn't own guns"
which equals retards should own guns.
you can't say it was some way, this is exactly as you typed it.
Quote:
. Also, no retards shouldn't own guns(which would include a lot of rednecks, which is funny)
that period shows the end of a sentence.
but anyway, shouldn't is an opinion.
i don't give a ***about the law...i was just cleverly calling you a retard and you tried to be difficult.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-09 16:49:34
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
why even bring this up, the only thing you're suggesting excelior is to incerase the gun laws, there's no reason to throw somebody in jail for life for pulling a gun(if not used) nore is there reason to exclude all violence or for any criminal record. Also no retards shouldn't own guns (which would include a lot of rednecks, which is funny)
and you.
ah back to the fun avatar

I'm legally allowed to own a gun, thank you.
you said shouldn't.
which is should not.
which is not cannot.

You can own something without it being legal.

To say they shouldn't be allowed means it shouldn't be legal.

I can legally own a gun (and a passage of such a law wouldn't change this fact).
technically i should correct myself..
you said "no retards shouldn't own guns"
which equals retards should own guns.
you can't say it was some way, this is exactly as you typed it.
Quote:
. Also, no retards shouldn't own guns(which would include a lot of rednecks, which is funny)
that period shows the end of a sentence.
but anyway, shouldn't is an opinion.
i don't give a ***about the law...i was just cleverly calling you a retard and you tried to be difficult.
Ah I apologize for my poor grammar and double negative. I never said it wasn't an opinion, but when they do not have the thought process to handle such an action as shooting somebody then why should they be allowed the means? Same reason why children shouldn't be able to own guns.

edit: went back and looked up my original post on that, meant to put a comma (doubt it's proper but meh).
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By Odin.Liela 2010-11-09 16:49:48
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Oh gosh, everyone around here has a gun. During hunting season you see half a dozen a day. I've never seen anyone carry one in public unless it was hunting season, though.

I'd perhaps feel safer carrying my own gun around with me, but I know me. I know that I know how to handle it, care for it, aim and fire it. I might definitely be nervous if Joe Schmoe next to me also had a gun, because I might not know if he knew how to handle it, care for it, aim it, or fire it. I think it would be fine for open-carry weapons as long as there were rules in place, such as keeping careful track of who had them and making sure people had to go through weapons-safety courses before being allowed to carry them around.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-09 16:50:44
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ah I apologize for my poor grammar and double negative. I never said it wasn't an opinion, but when they do not have the thought process to handle such an action as shooting somebody then why should they be allowed the means? Same reason why children shouldn't be able to own guns.
who are you to decide that?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-09 16:52:30
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Odin.Liela said:
Oh gosh, everyone around here has a gun. During hunting season you see half a dozen a day. I've never seen anyone carry one in public unless it was hunting season, though.

I'd perhaps feel safer carrying my own gun around with me, but I know me. I know that I know how to handle it, care for it, aim and fire it. I might definitely be nervous if Joe Schmoe next to me also had a gun, but I didn't know if he knew how to handle it, care for it, aim it, or fire it. I think it would be fine for open-carry weapons as long as there were rules in place, such as keeping careful track of who had them and making sure people had to go through weapons-safety courses before being allowed to carry them around.



you can carry own around legally anyway... just saying. (most places)
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-09 16:53:38
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
why even bring this up, the only thing you're suggesting excelior is to incerase the gun laws, there's no reason to throw somebody in jail for life for pulling a gun(if not used) nore is there reason to exclude all violence or for any criminal record. Also no retards shouldn't own guns (which would include a lot of rednecks, which is funny)
and you.
ah back to the fun avatar

I'm legally allowed to own a gun, thank you.
you said shouldn't.
which is should not.
which is not cannot.

You can own something without it being legal.

To say they shouldn't be allowed means it shouldn't be legal.

I can legally own a gun (and a passage of such a law wouldn't change this fact).
technically i should correct myself..
you said "no retards shouldn't own guns"
which equals retards should own guns.
you can't say it was some way, this is exactly as you typed it.
Quote:
. Also, no retards shouldn't own guns(which would include a lot of rednecks, which is funny)
that period shows the end of a sentence.
but anyway, shouldn't is an opinion.
i don't give a ***about the law...i was just cleverly calling you a retard and you tried to be difficult.
Ah I apologize for my poor grammar and double negative. I never said it wasn't an opinion, but when they do not have the thought process to handle such an action as shooting somebody then why should they be allowed the means? Same reason why children shouldn't be able to own guns.
who are you to decide that?

Retards don't have the same thought process, are you trying to say they do? But if you want a medical report with it then look yourself, being too lazy today.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-11-09 16:54:26
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This has to be the most ridiculous thread I've read since Exceliors fat tax.

I don't see how in the blue hell anyone can justify making the open carrying of firearms legal. Can you not imagine the carnage, pub fights would end in mass shootings, security would be rendered useless and their lives put at risk whenever they intervened with any arguments, innocent bystanders caught in crossfire between arguing parties, police forces would have to be equipped with full riot gear and bulletproof equipment to deal with even the slightest threat because everyone and anyone can shoot at them!? Seriously.

I think many of you are forgetting just how serious a firearm is, they are not toys and in the hands of an inexperienced user can have horrific consequences. Would it have prevented or lessened the tragic events mentioned by the OP, maybe, but alot of those incidents were the result of gross negligence and could have been prevented if certain people had done there jobs properly. People can become very unreasonable when they see red, can you imagine the number of murders that would take place just through drunk rage over little things like ex gf's, looking at someone the wrong way, things that would usually go no further than a bust up ending in murder. Yeh no thanks.
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By Odin.Liela 2010-11-09 16:55:18
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Odin.Liela said:
Oh gosh, everyone around here has a gun. During hunting season you see half a dozen a day. I've never seen anyone carry one in public unless it was hunting season, though.

I'd perhaps feel safer carrying my own gun around with me, but I know me. I know that I know how to handle it, care for it, aim and fire it. I might definitely be nervous if Joe Schmoe next to me also had a gun, but I didn't know if he knew how to handle it, care for it, aim it, or fire it. I think it would be fine for open-carry weapons as long as there were rules in place, such as keeping careful track of who had them and making sure people had to go through weapons-safety courses before being allowed to carry them around.



you can carry own around legally anyway... just saying. (most places)


Pretty sure I can here, just I never cared enough to find out for sure. The only place I go is school, anyways, and I'd likely get expelled if I took one there. Or at the very least, cause a large panic. :-(
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-09 16:55:21
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Retards don't have the same thought process, are you trying to say they do? But if you want a medical report with it then look yourself, being too lazy today.
and retards are all the SAME...
/eyeroll

blacks shouldn't have guns either since they all do drugs and are criminals right?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-09 16:56:01
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Ramuh.Sagittario said:
This has to be the most ridiculous thread I've read since Exceliors fat tax.

I don't see how in the blue hell anyone can justify making the open carrying of firearms legal. Can you not imagine the carnage, pub fights would end in mass shootings, security would be rendered useless and their lives put at risk whenever they intervened with any arguments, innocent bystanders caught in crossfire between arguing parties, police forces would have to be equipped with full riot gear and bulletproof equipment to deal with even the slightest threat because everyone and anyone can shoot at them!? Seriously.

I think many of you are forgetting just how serious a firearm is, they are not toys and in the hands of an inexperienced user can result in horrific tragedies. Would it have prevented or lessened the tragic events mentioned by the OP, maybe, but alot of those incidents were the result of gross negligence and could have been prevented if certain people had done there jobs properly. People can become very unreasonable when they see red, can you imagine the number of murders that would take place just through drunk rage over little things like ex gf's, looking at someone the wrong way, things that would usually go no further than a bust up ending in murder. Yeh no thanks.

There's no law in the US (some localities may have them, DC did have a no hand gun policy) to ban non concealed weapons, 2nd amendment ftw.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-11-09 16:57:22
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Odin.Liela said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Odin.Liela said:
Oh gosh, everyone around here has a gun. During hunting season you see half a dozen a day. I've never seen anyone carry one in public unless it was hunting season, though.

I'd perhaps feel safer carrying my own gun around with me, but I know me. I know that I know how to handle it, care for it, aim and fire it. I might definitely be nervous if Joe Schmoe next to me also had a gun, but I didn't know if he knew how to handle it, care for it, aim it, or fire it. I think it would be fine for open-carry weapons as long as there were rules in place, such as keeping careful track of who had them and making sure people had to go through weapons-safety courses before being allowed to carry them around.



you can carry own around legally anyway... just saying. (most places)


Pretty sure I can here, just I never cared enough to find out for sure. The only place I go is school, anyways, and I'd likely get expelled if I took one there. Or at the very least, cause a large panic. :-(

The thought of you walking into class with a gun and causing panic is hysterical because you're like the nicest, daintiest person on this website.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-09 16:57:23
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Ramuh.Sagittario said:
This has to be the most ridiculous thread I've read since Exceliors fat tax.

I don't see how in the blue hell anyone can justify making the open carrying of firearms legal. Can you not imagine the carnage, pub fights would end in mass shootings, security would be rendered useless and their lives put at risk whenever they intervened with any arguments, innocent bystanders caught in crossfire between arguing parties, police forces would have to be equipped with full riot gear and bulletproof equipment to deal with even the slightest threat because everyone and anyone can shoot at them!? Seriously.

I think many of you are forgetting just how serious a firearm is, they are not toys and in the hands of an inexperienced user can have horrific consequences. Would it have prevented or lessened the tragic events mentioned by the OP, maybe, but alot of those incidents were the result of gross negligence and could have been prevented if certain people had done there jobs properly. People can become very unreasonable when they see red, can you imagine the number of murders that would take place just through drunk rage over little things like ex gf's, looking at someone the wrong way, things that would usually go no further than a bust up ending in murder. Yeh no thanks.
already legal.
just gotta jump through quite a few hoops unless you know the right people lol.

Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
the thought of you walking into class with a gun and causing panic is hysterical because you're like the nicest, daintiest person on this website.

everyone is the same as they are in RL as the internets...yes :/
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-09 16:58:01
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
why even bring this up, the only thing you're suggesting excelior is to incerase the gun laws, there's no reason to throw somebody in jail for life for pulling a gun(if not used) nore is there reason to exclude all violence or for any criminal record. Also no retards shouldn't own guns (which would include a lot of rednecks, which is funny)
and you.
ah back to the fun avatar

I'm legally allowed to own a gun, thank you.
you said shouldn't.
which is should not.
which is not cannot.

You can own something without it being legal.

To say they shouldn't be allowed means it shouldn't be legal.

I can legally own a gun (and a passage of such a law wouldn't change this fact).
technically i should correct myself..
you said "no retards shouldn't own guns"
which equals retards should own guns.
you can't say it was some way, this is exactly as you typed it.
Quote:
. Also, no retards shouldn't own guns(which would include a lot of rednecks, which is funny)
that period shows the end of a sentence.
but anyway, shouldn't is an opinion.
i don't give a ***about the law...i was just cleverly calling you a retard and you tried to be difficult.
Ah I apologize for my poor grammar and double negative. I never said it wasn't an opinion, but when they do not have the thought process to handle such an action as shooting somebody then why should they be allowed the means? Same reason why children shouldn't be able to own guns.
who are you to decide that?

Retards don't have the same thought process, are you trying to say they do? But if you want a medical report with it then look yourself, being too lazy today.
and retards are all the SAME...
/eyeroll

blacks shouldn't have guns either since they all do drugs and are criminals right?

there are different levels of retardation, however again their thought process is below the level of an average person, they shouldn't be expected to handle the same responsibilities (and or rights) of an average citizen. I'm not going to go in to depth about how they can't handle the thought processes that should be had when somebody pulls a gun on somebody, too lazy.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-09 17:01:44
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
there are different levels of retardation, however again their thought process is below the level of an average person, they shouldn't be expected to handle the same responsibilities (and or rights) of an average citizen. I'm not going to go in to depth about how they can't handle the thought processes that should be had when somebody pulls a gun on somebody, too lazy.
I agree that if they can't pass the test they shouldn't be able to use it...and maybe they have to go through some formal training...but saying they can't just because society deems them to be less-than doesn't mean jack ***.
and not all "retards" have the same mental impairments.
bit more complicated than varying degrees of "IQ" points...
more on the terms of mental stability and hand eye coordination with just using a firearm.
not that they should be able to carry a gun around all day...just saying they shouldn't be disallowed just because you of all people deem them not worthy :/
I dunno...I used to help people with mental disabilities...and it's not always the same thing.
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omg guys srsly use the spoiler function that train is getting way too long >_>
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By Asura.Emoneaone 2010-11-09 17:07:36
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Odin.Liela said:
I think it would be fine for open-carry weapons as long as there were rules in place, such as keeping careful track of who had them and making sure people had to go through weapons-safety courses before being allowed to carry them around.

I don't really want the government keeping careful track of me and such. As long as the other folks didn't "misbehave" with their weapons I'd not mind.

I currently have a concealed permit and can carry open. What I don't like is my employer can refuse to allow weapons on site, which means I travel to and from work each day unarmed. I go armed more often than not, otherwise.

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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-09 17:07:50
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
why even bring this up, the only thing you're suggesting excelior is to incerase the gun laws, there's no reason to throw somebody in jail for life for pulling a gun(if not used) nore is there reason to exclude all violence or for any criminal record. Also no retards shouldn't own guns (which would include a lot of rednecks, which is funny)
and you.
ah back to the fun avatar

I'm legally allowed to own a gun, thank you.
you said shouldn't.
which is should not.
which is not cannot.

You can own something without it being legal.

To say they shouldn't be allowed means it shouldn't be legal.

I can legally own a gun (and a passage of such a law wouldn't change this fact).
technically i should correct myself..
you said "no retards shouldn't own guns"
which equals retards should own guns.
you can't say it was some way, this is exactly as you typed it.
Quote:
. Also, no retards shouldn't own guns(which would include a lot of rednecks, which is funny)
that period shows the end of a sentence.
but anyway, shouldn't is an opinion.
i don't give a ***about the law...i was just cleverly calling you a retard and you tried to be difficult.
Ah I apologize for my poor grammar and double negative. I never said it wasn't an opinion, but when they do not have the thought process to handle such an action as shooting somebody then why should they be allowed the means? Same reason why children shouldn't be able to own guns.
who are you to decide that?

Retards don't have the same thought process, are you trying to say they do? But if you want a medical report with it then look yourself, being too lazy today.
and retards are all the SAME...
/eyeroll

blacks shouldn't have guns either since they all do drugs and are criminals right?

there are different levels of retardation, however again their thought process is below the level of an average person, they shouldn't be expected to handle the same responsibilities (and or rights) of an average citizen. I'm not going to go in to depth about how they can't handle the thought processes that should be had when somebody pulls a gun on somebody, too lazy.
I agree that if they can't pass the test they shouldn't be able to use it...and maybe they have to go through some formal training...but saying they can't just because society deems them to be less-than doesn't mean jack ***.
and not all "retards" have the same mental impairments.
bit more complicated than varying degrees of "IQ" points...
more on the terms of mental stability and hand eye coordination with just using a firearm.
not that they should be able to carry a gun around all day...just saying they shouldn't be disallowed just because you of all people deem them not worthy :/
I dunno...I used to help people with mental disabilities...and it's not always the same thing.
meh, whatever you say, doesn't change my opinion.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-09 17:08:47
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
meh, whatever you say, doesn't change my opinion.
AHA using my words ICIC :D
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-09 17:09:34
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
meh, whatever you say, doesn't change my opinion.
AHA using my words ICIC :D
never said it wasn't my opinion, whether it's fair or not isn't here nor there.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-11-09 17:10:23
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Give there is no statistical correlation with firearm prevalence leading to less crime (violent or otherwise), but only a significant increase in gun-related deaths (mostly due to accidents), it's hard to really have an opinion beyond ideological conviction.
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2010-11-09 17:12:04
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Ramuh.Sagittario said:
This has to be the most ridiculous thread I've read since Exceliors fat tax. I don't see how in the blue hell anyone can justify making the open carrying of firearms legal. Can you not imagine the carnage, pub fights would end in mass shootings, security would be rendered useless and their lives put at risk whenever they intervened with any arguments, innocent bystanders caught in crossfire between arguing parties, police forces would have to be equipped with full riot gear and bulletproof equipment to deal with even the slightest threat because everyone and anyone can shoot at them!? Seriously. I think many of you are forgetting just how serious a firearm is, they are not toys and in the hands of an inexperienced user can have horrific consequences. Would it have prevented or lessened the tragic events mentioned by the OP, maybe, but alot of those incidents were the result of gross negligence and could have been prevented if certain people had done there jobs properly. People can become very unreasonable when they see red, can you imagine the number of murders that would take place just through drunk rage over little things like ex gf's, looking at someone the wrong way, things that would usually go no further than a bust up ending in murder. Yeh no thanks.
It's already legal. Very legal to open carry..I don't know why seeing an average person walking around the street with a pistol on his hip would "scare" anyone.

Guns are dangerous..but not more dangerous than Bees, bears, Old people behind the wheel of a car, tired people or overly medicated ppl using any time of machinery. I am way more scared of the ppl that drive on the roads then when I see someone openly carring a gun.

Open carry has always been around and will hopefully always be around(for us in the US that is.)..get use to it..guns aren't bad and never have been.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-09 17:16:00
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Bahamut.Zorander said:
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I think if everyone had a gun it would make the world safer in theory. However, it would require a lot of education and very very strict laws surrounding the use. Most experts think that the next wave of terrorism will come in the form of public shootings. If everyone in the public has a gun the terrorist is going to die very quickly. However, the public needs to be sure of when it is acceptable to use a gun and when it is not. Police have different tiers of force they need to use, and it is not acceptable to bring a gun to a fist fight. I believe that the average American would be capable of these resonsibilities but I also acknowledge there will be many who are not. Sadly, we see retards killing people with inproper use of their vehicle every day. These would probably be the smartest rules of usage: 1. Guns must be carried in plain sight. 2. Guns must be surrendered at the request of an officer or they will have the authority to shoot you. 3. You may not draw your gun without justification and testimony to support that justification. If you violate this then it's life in prison. 4. If you have a record of violence you may not own a gun. 5. If you have a criminal record at all you may not own a gun. 6. Keep the 21 for hand gun permits law. Anyone else have thoughts?
That's how it is now.. If you get pulled over and have a CCW you have to disclose that. You can't pull your gun on anyone expect for the defense of yourself or family. Back ground check. Back ground check again. Can't buy a handgun til your 21 anyway. (I think I can't remember.)

Well the difference would be giving firearm training to every citizen just like the driver's license. We have some good laws in effect now we just need more distribtution and familiarity.
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Give there is no statistical correlation with firearm prevalence leading to less crime (violent or otherwise), but only a significant increase in gun-related deaths (mostly due to accidents), it's hard to really have an opinion beyond ideological conviction.
opinion was with retards owning guns, not on the other aspects.
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By Asura.Emoneaone 2010-11-09 17:18:38
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Personally, I'd like a revision of the law banning ownership of automatic weapons manufactured later than 1986. Currently, after passing massive bureaucratic hoops, you can legally own a pre-1986 machine gun. I think that restriction should go away. There are way cooler automatic weapons these days that weren't around before 1986!
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Give there is no statistical correlation with firearm prevalence leading to less crime (violent or otherwise), but only a significant increase in gun-related deaths (mostly due to accidents), it's hard to really have an opinion beyond ideological conviction.
opinion was with retards owning guns, not on the other aspects.
every post made in this thread is in regards to what you say...yes.

Asura.Emoneaone said:
Personally, I'd like a revision of the law banning ownership of automatic weapons manufactured later than 1986. Currently, after passing massive bureaucratic hoops, you can legally own a pre-1986 machine gun. I think that restriction should go away. There are way cooler automatic weapons these days that weren't around before 1986!
cool....and fun.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-11-09 17:22:11
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Bahamut.Zorander said:
It's already legal. Very legal to open carry...
Depends entirely on the state. It's legal without restriction in 10 states, mostly legal in 15 others, legal only with a special license in 13, not legal except in extenuating circumstances in 7 or so, and almost completely outlawed in a few more.
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Give there is no statistical correlation with firearm prevalence leading to less crime (violent or otherwise), but only a significant increase in gun-related deaths (mostly due to accidents), it's hard to really have an opinion beyond ideological conviction.
opinion was with retards owning guns, not on the other aspects.
every post made in this thread is in regards to what you say...yes.

yeah but nobody else actually said "opinion" unless I missed it, in which case, my bad.
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Bahamut.Zorander said:
It's already legal. Very legal to open carry...
Depends entirely on the state. It's legal without restriction in 10 states, mostly legal in 15 others, legal only with a special license in 13, not legal except in extenuating circumstances in 7 or so, and almost completely outlawed in a few more.

anyone busted for it can easily *** the whole way to the supreme court and it'd be smacked down.
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