Christmas With A Capital C

Off to bed. Have fun you folks~

''Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.''

''If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?''

I started my shopping a couple months ago. You can save a lot of money buying gifts early. I saved 500 dollars last year from buying with sales going on during the year.

I buy quite a few months before christmas. We have a local fun fair that comes to town, so I normally get a ton of cheap *** stuff from the stalls there. There's always a major rush and panic on Christmas Eve when I forget a major gift or something though lol.

If you wish. I picked gravity and biology at random to illustrate that regardless of scientific knowledge or 'belief' you are beholden to scientific truths. I could have belabored the point, and I suppose I am now, that it doesn't matter whether or not you believe in cosmic background radiation that dates the universe at 13.75 billion years, it simply is a fact (within acceptable margins or error). Many of these facts utterly obliterate the tenants of virtually all religions, particularly the 3 primary monotheistic religions. The blow is ever harsher because said religions have books that claim to be completely and utterly infallible (no science text would ever claim that) and have such grievous errors as to place the value of pi at exactly 3.

Now, as to the 'why can't we all just get along' argument, it more or less doesn't matter what people privately believe, no matter how extreme or bizarre, except that people act on beliefs. Ignorant beliefs about the universe and morality can have disastrous effects on public policy, for instance. It is primarily for that reason that it matters whether people are accepting of scientifically valid facts/ theories or archaic fairy tales.

Nothing to do with christmas but...

you mad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaYmCPPLYrI

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. "

"It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder. "

proof crusades has nothing to do with religion...

Holy crap Stan, could you be any more wrong?... Your last 2 quotes there have nothing to do with the point at hand... Technology has nothing to do with any point people have made thus far. As for your second quote, yes killing during a war is still considered murder. Again, nothing to do with the point.

The motive behind the Crusades was spreading a specific religion to the masses and eliminating anyone who held different beliefs because they were wrong and believed to be a threat to the Christan ways. The motive for the entire thing is RELIGION. The same thing for the Islamic extremists commiting acts of terrorism today.

1. Most current science is ignorant and chosen by peer review panels that promote only their own findings for further funding. That's right "science and discovery" is a business......

2. Islam will rule the world within the next 50 years... well, get ready for the 2nd dark age....


we are ***

Humans did the killing, not the religion.

Humans did the killing in the name of their religion. Believe it or not, motive does count for something.

and who created the religion??

the intelligent apes of old!

they knew of peace and harmony until the dark times came and they told us of the royal duty to save jesus and his city!

onward men! for duty and honor! also the way to heaven! for reals!

actually it wasn't for religion, that was the excuse. it was for political reasons.

(truncating because it's getting a bit long)

Events like Hiroshima do not spawn from ignorance, but malice, which is really neither here nor there. If you were to argue that science can be dangerous I would have to agree with you. Even the first major scientific discovery (fire) is dangerous and often weaponised. But as I said, that's rather tangential and deals with sociology.

I never said you or anyone should think of defying gravity (though some extremists exist who deny gravity). As I said already it was an example of science that, regardless of specific knowledge, governs everything. I could certainly tell you that most scientifically minded people won't tell you that their perspective is 100% fact. Some exceptionally arrogant people in that category might, but as a rule that category would be made up of skeptics and rationalists. Nobody who has studied science at all could possibly tell you that all of their scientific knowledge is 100% factual and keep a straight face. That's precisely why science is reliable. It's refined and built upon as knowledge increases to get a better understanding of the universe.

Back to your Hiroshima example, in such a case science is the means or tool for the destruction. For events such as the Crusades or the attacks on 9/11 or 7/7 science is also the tool. Religion, however, is the inspiration (though not for Hiroshima, obviously).

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True religion is real living; living with all one's soul, with all one's goodness and righteousness. "

That's like saying "Guns do the killing, not the people"

And no, not getting involved in a debate lalallalalal

i agree with stan on this...

my policy is to do what i want and enjoy life until i die
then i'll sort out the ***...

"We cannot despair of humanity, since we ourselves are human beings. "

i want that stache....

Source says 'sup

The whole point of the Crusades was to recapture Jerusalem after the Muslims stopped Christians from entering the city for their pilgramiges. Part of this was also a holy war against the Muslims because of the blatant disrespect to their own Holy Land.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

Therefore religion and science can co-exist.

Now atheist or fake atheists (not true), should not try and use science as a crutch by trying to prove anything. I mean for false atheist like you not true.

When a true atheist talk it is not about science alone to hit into the face of a theist, or to bash religion.

"religion is the cause of wars" this is ***.

Human nature at it's finest, all I am going to say. Still using religion to attack people which is an excuse to war. So no it is not the cause of it, humans are flawed. Try gain non true atheist.

Instead of siting here arguing that religion is bad it causes stuff why not go and have peace agreements with bin laden and terrorists.

Tell them if they stop America will stop, ask the same of America. Please tell me what happens after that, if it was so simple it would have been done already. I want to ask you something are you something.

What do you think of Muslims?

*** me! This was about a movie and look where it ended...