Paladin DD Set Up

Sorry, thought this was a discussion and not 12-year-old playing in the backyard.

Glass houses and stones, love.

Glass houses and stones.

Don't change clothes in a glass house because people will throw stones at you? D:

you don't know a commonly used language while you're using it and being completely fluent <- why you're a retard

you were acting like you've never seen these collaquialisms before and acting like you were trying to show serj was an idiot for doing so, aka using them out of context and in rapid succession <- why you're a retard

mistaking trolling for pointing out obvious flaws in your illogically based logic <- why you're a retard

lol caring about posting numbers <- why you're a retard

apologizing for fighting over the internet <- why you're a retard

it's not fighting, it's showing you how stupid you look while trying to make serj look like an idiot. also, the fact you got offended by being called bro is pretty hilarious. grow some balls.

This is actually the first solid argument I see and I have to agree with that, since stats would be better IF you actually get to cap haste as well with those combos.

It's not an if, it does cap.

Think he means if you're using the proper other gear.

Hehe, that's certainly your opinion of an idiot then, I can't argue with that. For me an idiot would be someone that went through the effort of searching something stupid in everything, only to make someone else look HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and to make yourself look good. Aka. ***. :D
And since you're so intelligent, you would probably know that the language you learn in school, at uni or any other official facilities differs widely from the language that is spoken on the street, in every single town of english speaking countries.
So yea, if the likes of you think I'm an idiot, that doesn't bother me much, you have to live with yourselves, not I. =)

And, what does being "offended" by something have to do with having balls or not? Even though, it's the internet, we are all real persons sitting behing the KB and we all deserve some sort of respect, IMO. At least until some point anyway. xD

So, who is the idiot, the one wanting a mere conversation with the due respect or the ones just throwing out words without any meaning, just saying something to.. say something.. >_>

Like I said, 24,5% is not capped.. But yea, IF it caps. xD

Would'nt use that body over Grim/af3+2 for 0.3% haste or whatever it is either but yeah, if you lack the proper +2 gear/tiara I'd concider it.

Couldn't WHM outparse PLD in most situations? Discuss.

Vs an Almace-PLD I doubt it, but without Almace it would be a fun competition to watch :P

Doubting it. If the gearset was similar (which it won't be since PLD has many more options in terms of Atk/Str I do believe) then maybe they'd be close, but I think the addition of en-light would probably put PLD back ahead.

WHM gets "enlight" with auspice aswell!

Ah I was not aware of this. It could perhaps be similar. But again I think in terms of damage gear PLD has more options, so it's probably still in PLDs favor there.

have you cleaned the sand out yet, bro?

I don't see how. :3 I'm not into WHM at all and I wouldn't know about any decent WS but hexa but in any case, WHM doesn't have much more access to haste gear than RDM and for RDM it's hard already to do decent meleeing. Additionally, RDM got access to CDC as well, which WHM doesn't.. So, my personal opinion would be that WHM is not capable of out-doing PLD in any situation, unless the PLD doesn't get haste (spell) and even then it might be a close call.

It would still be interesting to see how both would do against each other but I doubt that WHM would be any good, especially inside of aby. :(

Hexa Strike is a critical WS and atma will negate the difference between lesser geared DD and top-tier gear DD. Inside abyssea they'd actually have a better chance.

WHM is way better inside of abyssea than outside.

Hexa is a 6hit ws, so if you dual wield, 7hit.
It can also crit, so it's a very strong ws inside abyssea!
WHM can also cap haste fairly easily mostly just with AH gear xD

I really don't know what you're on about but you clearly have no intentions to produce anything helpful to this conversation so.. go figure..

Almace skews it, and while I originally thought to compare RDM VS PLD i'm sure PLD could win that one. WHM has options i've seen mentioned that bridges that gap.

Personally I like Paladin but it's not so much a way you play it issue when it comes to DD'ing. It just can't DD without a trick weapon, but even then DRK can outshine PLD on Calad and as for Almace it's definately not the top tier job for that either unless you can get away with kraken. This is not as often as you would think, however when you can it is fairly broken.

It is my opinion that with Ochain/Aegis/Almace/Kraken/Cataclysm Paladin is currently among the most useful jobs in the game.

Vorpal and CDC are crit WS as well and PLD has a little more access to "DD gear" than WHM. That's why I don't think WHM would actually win.
They both kinda start out equally, til it come to gear and with haste (spell) whm has an advantage in frequency.
But both with same buffs and different gears, I would say that PLD clearly has an advantage, because of the access to hecatomb and twilight gear alone.

Even on Shinryu I haven't seen any WHM perform well with brew yet. Certainly due to the fact that ele ws have an advantage but still. ._.
Really would have to see both with same buffs and same atmas doing out in the field, since I can't judge from own experiences much regarding WHM. >_<

RDM and WHM always have been more of a fun-job, when it comes to meleeing anyway, not really something you would actually consider as an asset to the melee brigade.
And just for the record, my first 75 RDM and I did melee and tried to melee a lot. I melee'ed more and was trying to melee than I was trying to be that typical kite- and w/e RDM, unlike most others probably.

Anyways...




While able to change the body to whatever you want. Frees up all slots of stp for ws. Peachy?

Works for me Serj. Except of course Brutal on left ear.
So. Badelaire +2 second best sword option for DD?

Nice, I went to sleep and the thread wasn't derailed. Thanks guys.

I'm quite happy that these sets are only a few items better than what I have, though two of those include redoing DM and CoP (I was oldschool/HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and got the lolsattva).

I still think I'd use AF3+2 body over grim just because I don't currently need to drop the gil on grim +1 for another Job and I do like the idea of potential absorbs from 4/5 of the +2 pieces.

Now let's see some Chant du Cygne sets?

Oh yeah check this atonement spam set!!!

Give me a few and I'll do some research to start throwing out some CDC ideas.

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