Paladin DD Set Up

Timarli Jawshan > any other bodies and haste+1 items.
That being said, it certainly depends on what you're focusing on and what you're lacking, obviously.
But generally, if you have acc covered (which should be the case if you use RR atma, 1-2 acc items and CDC e.g.) you try to cap gear haste like any other job, no!?
The way I see it, acc doesnt really do much for PLD during TP, where this also always depends on the stuff you are fighting and also the food/meds/gear you are using and have access to.

Most of the bodies available to PLD are mainly only WS pieces/macro pieces or straight MDT/PDT but no very good melee pieces. If anything, af3 body and twilight mail are filling the gap for slots where you can't get as much acc as you'd need to, along with some att, of course.

Nonetheless, all the suggested bodies are fine if have nothing better available, yet, they won't do much but looking pretty, most of them. :D

If you sub dnc or nin for dual wield, sure. I'm not sure how different /war vs /nin is damage wise, but ochain is enough to keep a pld standing from any melee hits they'd get while keeping the benefits from /war vs the 0 benefits from /nin and /dnc offensively, aside from dual wield.

Joyeuse would be better than honorbound or shamshir because of the increased tp gain. Justice sword would be better if you take the time to use stones.

I think, anyway.

When you cap haste without it, why would you use it over anything else?

I think, Joyeuse is still the best weapon for spamming WS like vorpal or sanguine blade. Other than that, you pretty much only have two other options, those being Almace/fake emp. or Magnus Sword+stones.
Everything else should be by far less beneficial for your DPS and WS-dmg.
I would like to hear some voices from math geeks regarding joytoy vs. honorbound though, seeing if double base dmg would actually help with keeping up with joytoy's higher frequency (/doubt).
The only other aspect maybe making honorbound a weapon of choise would be the enlight+ but I also dont think that this would be better than anything I have suggested.

How would you cap gear haste without ring/neck? Fill me in!
And no, 24,5% is not capped. :o

EDIT: Been taking goading for granted, like rajas and brutal (if needed), so yea, can cap haste without body spot and then a different body certainly would be a way better choise.

Staff build seems like PLD's best bet at this point assuming you can stack good gear on PLD to use :

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Cataclysm
At level 90 a monk was capable of "Cata" burning monsters not resistant to darkness; using Magic Attack Atmas, Magic attack bonus equipment; using earth staff, and other pdt gears on par with a war's "Cleave" burning deal. It was how he farmed his chloris pops and had all of the stuff he needed within at least 3 weeks(I think? maybe a month) So Assuming PLD is able to obtain the same mab(modifier) gears a MNK is (and having a higher staff skill level, etc ((which probably influences damage by a small %)) I would assume PLD's can also "Cata" burn monsters for mass amounts of exp and farm pops while perhaps taking less dmg than the other two jobs?

If anyone has more information on this lets let it rip.

The guy who did this mostly hangs out around Blue Gatyr (Or however its spelled) If you can be assed to browse the massive amounts of crap on their forums you may find a forum on Cataclysm there.

What I use for DD atm:


TP:

Main: Honorbound
Sub: Khanda(2-3hit, only +1 atm, I'd use 2-4. While I don't usually advocate 2-4hit weapons, with Enlight on PLD this will probably be best if you aren't woried about feeding the mob TP)
Ammo: Tiphia Sting
Head: Walahra Turban
Neck: Chivalrous Chain (Fortitude Torque would be better)
Ears1/2: Suppanomimi/Brutal Earring
Body: Twilight Mail/Ares Body depending on if Acc is needed
Hands: Dusk Gloves (Af3+2 would be better)
Rings: Ulthalaams/Rajas
Back: Aethling Mantle
Waist: Goading Belt
Legs: Creed+2
Feet: Creed+1

WS(Vorpal Blade):

Ammo: Tiphia Sting
Head: Varagian Helm
Neck: Chivalrous Chain
Ear1/2: Brutal/Suppa or Aesir Ear Pendant (Can't remember)
Body: Twilight Mail
Hands: Hecatomb
Rings: Don't change, should change ulthalaam's with STR probably
Back: Aethling Mantle
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Ares's Legs
Feet: Perle

I'm sure there are several improvements to be made but a lot of these aren't hard to attain/are cheap. Since PLD isn't generally the most useful job in any given situation I don't see the point of changing my setup much.

Some Improvements I can think of off the top of my head are those mentioned above and also:

Head: Zelus Tiara (8% Haste) WS: Twilight Helm?
Waist: If you can get a 6% belt you could cap haste with Zelus Tiara, Belt, Creed+2 hands/legs/feet.
FeetWS: Hecatomb?

Weapon: Almace/Empyrean-1 for a better WS (which would then change some of your WS pieces to DEX pieces to modify CDC)

PLD is certainly as good as MNK for cata burns, even more so even since it has more defensive capabilities than MNK does. MNK really only has high HP and similar amount of access to PDT but no self-cures, JA and high def.

@Systematicchaos
XD yea, you got the right ideas about how to improve and what to use, no need to talk about that much.
I couldn't be arsed to make the perfect setups myself since the stuff doesn't get use much anyway. Tweak here and there as you get new items or when you're bored enough to change macros and good is. =P

Cata won't have anything on a vorpal blade / CDC setup. Cata is *only* used for AoE burning.


Look at the posts on the last page. It isn't hard.

Without being rude but what am I supposed to find there that is different to what I've been saying?
Goading in every set, check.
Haste ring in almost every set, check.
No capped haste in every set on that page, check.

So..? I really don't wanna fight about this, since everyone has his/her own opinion about things and ppl like setups that just look more pretty or offer more stats that seem awesome but might be actually useless, that's fine with me.
I'm just going with the POV that you should try to cap haste if you got acc covered and that clearly isn't the case in any of the setups you are refering to.

Did you read what was said? I have the updated set right here, for your viewing pleasure.



And most of the sets have 26% haste, brah. Learn to count.

Also in that set I posted, there's... ~35 acc.

Firstly, don't call me "brah", whatever that means in your ghetto, son.
Secondly, don't approach me in that cocky way of yours when nothing you have to say actually has anything beneficial for the conversation at hand.
Thirdly, it doesn't show a haste +6 belt in any of those setups, even when checking them after your latest post, so yea, edit-fail, I guess.
Also, I did say that that if you cap haste otherwise(which includes the waist spot, fyi) without the body then all listed bodies like twilight, grim's, af3 and are's are better choises.

Maybe you should try to read more acurate, bro!
'Tis not eez,I no, but ya gotta feel me too, dogg, ya kno.

acting like you don't know those common collaquialisms makes you look like more of a moron than you're trying to make the other duder look like, way to look like a tool


derp double post

Mother ***, you're stupid.


Really now? Something about capping haste without a ring and neck. Something about it was said over and over on the last page.


You didn't *** READ any post, you stupid mother ***.





Which you went on to say no one's set did that without using the ring and neck. Which was said on the previous page.

White tathlum would be better, I'd also venture a different ring if PLD can use the stp one (both assuming -1hit).
Timarli sucks, unless you need it to cap haste, and even then if you're not capping hit rate, an accuracy body would trump it.

Edit: Blitz ring then Goading, assuming -1hit ofc

So not knowing about the colloquial conventions in a language that isn't my mother language let's me look like a fool? xD
So tell me then what "Ick jeh ma kurz um de ecke" means, oh wise one. Hopefully you won't look like a tool trying to translate this. =)

On a side note, you should have noticed my reference to that "brah" a few lines below, with my "bro".
Try again.

Rajas/brutal takes it to 6.36tp / hit = 15.72 attacks to 100. Add in white/hoard takes it to 6.72 tp / hit = 14.88 attacks to 100, just enough. Was too lazy to math it out before =S

zelus tiara = 8
creed gauntlets +2 = 4
creed cuisses +2 = 4
creed sabatons +2 = 4
goading belt = 5
blitz ring = 1

you do the math.

also, for the lulz...

Meh, seriously, if you have nothing better to say Serj, you should consider skilling up your IQ as soon as the servers are up again. I'm afraid that this skill is lacking a lot for you.

Sorry but I only tried to help out with actual arguments and if you don't have any just go chat with your brahs and brihs and bruhs about it, maybe they will understand with a nice cup of crack and a handsome cancer stick made of horse hair.

yes, it does actually, especially since you're so fluent in this language. people i play with that have incredibly shitty english even know the common collaquialisms. and now you look even more stupid trying to make me look unintelligent for not knowing german or whatever the ***. sorry, brahskers, try again at making yourself not look like a tool.

Goading/tath drops a hit w/ Almace. I'm just saying "if" since I'm using weapon as a variable.

I think we all can agree Goading belt is far more accessible (and easier to get) than Velocious Belt, or the wasteofgilspeedbelt.

>_> The hell is this about..?
This is what i said.

Also, vbelt is kinda useless now, just a glory-piece! :p
Only use my poor vbelt gets these days is a few buffs on RDM >_>

Edit:


But, WHY do you feel the need to cap haste without ring slot?
STP on belt -> second ring slot, as the ring have -str/dex.
All-over better stat-gain with using blitz ring and goarding belt.

my question is: why would you want to use timarli + strigoi when you can do grim/blitz, af3+2/blitz, or ares/blitz?

Only reason I can see is it's free. If you're DDing on PLD you probably aren't putting much gil into it unless you have the gear from another job.

Why don't you take a nice bath and go clean all that sand out of your vagina? I know it's hard, and you seem to be on your period too in addition, so maybe you should just call the WHAAAAAAAAAAAAmbulance if you can't do it alone.

Lmao! Yes, I'm honestly apologize for not knowing ghetto-slang as well as the commonly used language. I truely feel like a fool running around here too when I don't understand ppl that haven't even finished 7th grade.

I seriously don't understand what you are getting at anyway, trolling is my guess, since it's neither logical not intelligent what you are stating here and it doesn't help the matter at hand, so... Making me look like a fool (or trying to, anyway) is a nice attempt to boost your posting numbers, however, I give you that.

If I wasn't of any help, I do apologize to the OP though, never wanted to start a fight.