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 Ramuh.Lorzy
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2011-02-28 22:54:49
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Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
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Vorpal Blade uses a 30% str mod, so be mindful of stacking STR pieces. It's also a multi-hit WS so ACC is needed (think life belt, pcc, sniper, woodsman, chiv chain, ohat, scorp harness). Realize if you're stacking alot of STR, use sushi. If stacking more ACC, eat the meat.
Reviving the thread--a well-experienced friend of mine tested stacking some DEX too, since Vorpal Blade depends on Crit hit damage (Original description: "Delivers a four-hit attack. Chance of critical varies with TP."). I realize it says "varies with TP," but it doesn't really say it's limited to being modded by TP only. He said it worked pretty well, but I don't exactly remember exact numbers or anything. Any thoughts?
I have vorpal on thf, I'll try stacking GH RR SS and seeing some numbers. Curious as well
curious about what?...
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By Asura.Matzilla 2011-02-28 23:02:33
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vorpal > evisceration

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By Leviathan.Korialstrasz 2011-02-28 23:15:30
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Eh, the damage is ok. While doing dom ops the other day in altepa on PLD it was doing anywhere from 2k to 3500ish, but that's also just on exp mobs.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-02-28 23:40:51
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my highest was nearly 3k vorpal on the fungaur nm in aby vunkel
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2011-03-18 09:18:25
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If you're PLD as main job or are just enjoying the job so much, you can also make a "DD setup" fairly easy by only getting af3 stuff. With af3 +2 it's getting easier to get close to capped haste in gear but it's still hard to achieve this goal (if you don't have a shell giving you nice items all the time, that is :D).
Since PLD is not exactly a DD-job, you want to !try! to cap haste during tp-phase, with af3 +x and/or homam stuff, as well as acc (if you're not having all furtherance abyssites and using RR anyway for CDC). After incresing your to-gain to an acceptable amount, you will want to increase your WS-dmg as well, be it vorpal blade, sanguine blade or even CDC, if you have the means.
For increasing ws-numbers, you would have to look up atmas and setups in different threads though since this would eat up a lot of space here.

But in the end, PLD can still be an Ok-ish "DD", always depending on the current situation.
You can also use Defensive setups, get tp by getting hit or blocking with shield and then dish out moderate WSs with the right atmas and the right pt-setups.

There is still a lot possible for PLD to do, not really putting out incredible numbers but acceptable ones.
Always keeping in mind that most, if not everything, regarding the usage of a PLD is mainly situational these days.
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By Serj 2011-03-18 09:23:55
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Get Almace, or Caladbolg, or both.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-03-18 09:25:15
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it would just be really hard to convince myself to get an emp for the express purpose of keeping up with an AH war
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By Serj 2011-03-18 09:30:21
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I'd love to level up drk and get caladbolg. I've always loved and been obsessed with greatswords and caladbolg is easy to get. Be fun to have lol. I'd be half tempted to level up pld just to use it with.

Calad and Almace are *really* easy to get, though. And AH wars are awful. Like, RR for ~1k awful. Gearswaps and atmas are hard, brah.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-03-18 09:31:55
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Serj said:
I'd love to level up drk and get caladbolg. I've always loved and been obsessed with greatswords and caladbolg is easy to get. Be fun to have lol. I'd be half tempted to level up pld just to use it with.

Calad and Almace are *really* easy to get, though. And AH wars are awful. Like, RR for ~1k awful. Gearswaps and atmas are hard, brah.

ok, an ah war with a spellcast and atmas :/

and even easy emps are contingent on time, which i wish i still had but don't ;_;
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2011-03-18 09:35:12
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This is the tp setup, you can use other stuff before af3+2 and that though.
edit: woops, didn't know pld af3 hands had haste o.o
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By Phoenix.Vael 2011-03-18 09:48:19
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Aren't AF3+2 hands better than timarli dastanas? Like, much much better?

Edit: And I'd like to see the best Chant du Cygne setup possible for PLD since someone asking that question in the BLU thread for it got hated on for lolpld (which is reasonable).
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By Serj 2011-03-18 09:53:52
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Sup? Improvements?
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By Phoenix.Vael 2011-03-18 10:00:09
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I think PLD requires the acc. over attack in general (regarding grim over AF3 body) though I don't know much about how much acc is needed anymore due to Abyssea.
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By Serj 2011-03-18 10:09:10
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Depends on what you're fighting. Anything visions/scars, you can ride no acc (cept maybe bloodeye) and have capped acc.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2011-03-18 10:21:14
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Phoenix.Fredjan said:

This is the tp setup, you can use other stuff before af3+2 and that though.
like, dusk gloves, af3+1 legs/feet, turban, timarli jawshan, etc..
Why an honor bound? Use an Ochain or a joytoy, no?
Also, unless Goading + Wtath is knocking your xhit down, (I'm not doing the math on xhits for pld) you'd be better off using Speed/VBelt + Tiphia(or maybe some other new ammo), and then exchanging the blitz ring for a strigoi
Is fortitude torque seriously still the best neck piece for pld?
And ya, like someone else said, af3+2 >> Timarli hands.
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By Wafflechan 2011-03-18 11:09:36
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Just because I wanna be stupid and roll like a badass mofo into Port Jeuno with my relic/empy dual wield, show *** how pld rolls.

EDIT: bomb core shouldnt be there, dunno how it got there.
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By Serj 2011-03-18 11:16:36
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Wafflechan said:

Just because I wanna be stupid and roll like a badass mofo into Port Jeuno with my relic/empy dual wield, show *** how pld rolls.

EDIT: bomb core shouldnt be there, dunno how it got there.

Relic offhand is worse than joytoy, more than likely, and the stp is out of place? Uncapped (true) haste.

Still would like comments on my build ;>
 
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By Bismarck.Altar 2011-03-18 11:33:02
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Serj said:
Still would like comments on my build ;>

Slight edit to direct this at you as well:
Unless Goading is knocking your xhit down, (I'm not doing the math on xhits for pld) you'd be better off using Speed/VBelt, and then exchanging the blitz ring for a strigoi
Also, agree with josiah on usefulness of Suppa when using a shield
4 att/acc is meh

Most importantly. How did you put a lvl 90 empy in your set? I've only been able to put the 80 version of Ukon in my war ones.
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By Phoenix.Vael 2011-03-18 11:34:40
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I was always lead to assume combat skill > attack/acc. though again knowledge is very outdated.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2011-03-18 11:36:38
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Phoenix.Vael said:
I was always lead to assume combat skill > attack/acc. though again knowledge is very outdated.

I think @300 skill 1 skill = 0.9acc, 0.9 att. @ greater than 300 its 0.8 acc/att.

Might be 0.8 & 0.7, but that's the general idea iirc.
 
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By Serj 2011-03-18 11:41:01
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Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
Serj said:


Sup? Improvements?
why so serious with the sword skill pieces? And since you aren't dual wielding wouldn't the attack +10 earring do more for tping than suppa? hmmm

Well, what better neck? Didn't realize pld could use Centaurus Earring, which is better than suppa (unless dual wielding). Aside from that, sword skill on hands comes with the haste.



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Serj said:
Still would like comments on my build ;>

Slight edit to direct this at you as well:
Unless Goading is knocking your xhit down, (I'm not doing the math on xhits for pld) you'd be better off using Speed/VBelt, and then exchanging the blitz ring for a strigoi
Also, agree with josiah on usefulness of Suppa when using a shield
4 att/acc is meh

Most importantly. How did you put a lvl 90 empy in your set? I've only been able to put the 80 version of Ukon in my war ones.

Noted, I was using speed/vulcan's at first (forgot about strigoi), but said to hell with Arthro and had no idea on availability or price on speed. Aside from Grim +1, nothing there is very expensive, but superior set is obviously superior.

As for putting the item at level there; when adding items, use the item number for the level weapon you use and it will add it.

Eg. 19539 for Ukon (90)
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By Serj 2011-03-18 11:41:59
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Bismarck.Altar said:
Phoenix.Vael said:
I was always lead to assume combat skill > attack/acc. though again knowledge is very outdated.

I think @300 skill 1 skill = 0.9acc, 0.9 att. @ greater than 300 its 0.8 acc/att.

Might be 0.8 & 0.7, but that's the general idea iirc.

Past 200 = .9*, never read anything on past 300, but probable to be .8 past 300.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2011-03-18 11:42:09
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
Bismarck.Altar said:
Most importantly. How did you put a lvl 90 empy in your set? I've only been able to put the 80 version of Ukon in my war ones.
You have to manually search it from the left Item Search bar then add it to the item set.

Ah excellent. Was not aware, thank you.

@ Serj.
Fort torque could very well still be the best piece. I don't think pld can wear Agasaya's. I haven't geared my pld up for anything hard in ages, so i don't really know what best pieces are in neck/ear slots, but a quick browse of new gear seems like Centaurus and fort should be at the top.
Yeah, i meant up to 300 skill when i said @300.
 
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By Serj 2011-03-18 12:10:57
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Odin.Slugg said:

Read everyone's post above your's. Now do it again.
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2011-03-18 12:16:32
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Is Joytoy still a viable option? wouldn't a proper Shamshir +2 (or a honorbound) be better?
edit: let's not forget atma of the apoc either.
edit over 9000: what about justice sword + virtue stones? it's not like pld has actual dding ammo anyways.
inb4 tiphia sting
and yes, fort is still the best for pld. unless you need ziel charm's accuracy.
and vbelt? ***'s a bigger timesink than almost everything else in the game...
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