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Perle really better?
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By Asura.Masekase 2010-08-04 02:34:37
Post Parse results between your sets Jurai.
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Ifrit.Jurai
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2010-08-04 02:38:10
Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: what do you mean 'superior'? Better total damage in a given timeframe, and for ***'s sake it's more than just attack.
Just stop, he is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and won't listen.
I'm trying to listen :(
I want to know why it's better so I can use what's best
I've no one to help me other that posting here to ask about things- sry for causing so much trouble trying to learn :(
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-08-04 02:39:47
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: what do you mean 'superior'? Better total damage in a given timeframe, and for ***'s sake it's more than just attack.
Feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall here...
if you don't stop beating stupid people over the head with the right answers i'm not going to have anyone left to feel superior to :(
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2010-08-04 02:40:11
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: what do you mean 'superior'? Better total damage in a given timeframe, and for ***'s sake it's more than just attack.
Feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall here...
But that's what I'm trying to say! My "total damage in a given timeframe" is better with my old double attack items.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-08-04 02:40:59
Ifrit.Jurai said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: what do you mean 'superior'? Better total damage in a given timeframe, and for ***'s sake it's more than just attack.
Feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall here...
But that's what I'm trying to say! My "total damage in a given timeframe" is better with my old double attack items.
i sense an eyeballer
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-04 02:43:33
Ifrit.Jurai said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: what do you mean 'superior'? Better total damage in a given timeframe, and for ***'s sake it's more than just attack.
Feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall here...
But that's what I'm trying to say! My "total damage in a given timeframe" is better with my old double attack items. No, it's not. Stop *** eyeballing plzkthx.
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2010-08-04 02:43:58
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Ifrit.Jurai said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: what do you mean 'superior'? Better total damage in a given timeframe, and for ***'s sake it's more than just attack.
Feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall here...
But that's what I'm trying to say! My "total damage in a given timeframe" is better with my old double attack items.
i sense an eyeballer
Yea, wont deny that. If I could post details I would. No one else is posting 'evidence' though either (saying Perle gives +x str, dex, w/e doesn't count because those are only applicable for the situation in which it was tested).
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By Gilgamesh.Samuraiking 2010-08-04 02:44:38
The extra str will add more max dmg to your weapon, among other things, the atk will make you hit harder per hit(you are eyeballing this, stop right now, it's boosting it you just have to parse it), the dex will raise your acc and crit, you also get +2% crit boost.
4% DA is ONLY 4 hits every time you swing 100 times. So instead of swinging 104 times, you swing 100 times but ALL 100 swings will do more dmg per hit than it would have without the perle atk/str boost.
Idk why people want to ride DA's ***, it's biggest boost is brutal earring, everything after that initial 5% is still a BOOST, but a 5% > 7% DA increased rate is much smaller than a 0% > 5% boost. It's not the same as adding more brutal earrings.
Honestly parse and you will see. That's all I can tell you if you want to eyeball ***and argue with math. There is no argument perle is better, you just want to believe otherwise which is making it hard to explain.
I'm pretty damn sure you're trolling but it's not like I'm busy or have anything better to do.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-04 02:44:43
Ifrit.Jurai said: Yea, wont deny that. If I could post details I would. No one else is posting 'evidence' though either (saying Perle gives +x str, dex, w/e doesn't count because those are only applicable for the situation in which it was tested). wat
ITT: math lies and the stats on a given piece of gear change
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-08-04 02:45:09
Ifrit.Jurai said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Ifrit.Jurai said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: what do you mean 'superior'? Better total damage in a given timeframe, and for ***'s sake it's more than just attack.
Feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall here...
But that's what I'm trying to say! My "total damage in a given timeframe" is better with my old double attack items.
i sense an eyeballer
Yea, wont deny that. If I could post details I would. No one else is posting 'evidence' though either (saying Perle gives +x str, dex, w/e doesn't count because those are only applicable for the situation in which it was tested).
homam is way better keep using it all that double attack is super hot
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2010-08-04 02:46:27
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: what do you mean 'superior'? Better total damage in a given timeframe, and for ***'s sake it's more than just attack.
Feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall here...
But that's what I'm trying to say! My "total damage in a given timeframe" is better with my old double attack items. No, it's not. Stop *** eyeballing plzkthx.
:( idk how to parse it but would try it if I could- send link to help me do it and I will! I'm not trying to 'eyeball' I was just sharing my experience with it.
If I could get better data I'd love to :(
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-04 02:46:55
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: what do you mean 'superior'? Better total damage in a given timeframe, and for ***'s sake it's more than just attack.
Feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall here...
if you don't stop beating stupid people over the head with the right answers i'm not going to have anyone left to feel superior to :( Reasons to stop posting in this thread: your ego and my sanity.
Good enough for me... ugh.
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2010-08-04 02:47:14
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Ifrit.Jurai said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Ifrit.Jurai said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: what do you mean 'superior'? Better total damage in a given timeframe, and for ***'s sake it's more than just attack.
Feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall here...
But that's what I'm trying to say! My "total damage in a given timeframe" is better with my old double attack items.
i sense an eyeballer
Yea, wont deny that. If I could post details I would. No one else is posting 'evidence' though either (saying Perle gives +x str, dex, w/e doesn't count because those are only applicable for the situation in which it was tested).
homam is way better keep using it all that double attack is super hot
Cool beans thx man will do /highfive
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By Gilgamesh.Samuraiking 2010-08-04 02:47:50
Not meaning this in an insulting way, seriously, but are you a *** woman? I mean the way you argue you really do sound like how women try to argue in rl.... just sayin'.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-04 02:48:01
Ifrit.Jurai said: :( idk how to parse it but would try it if I could- send link to help me do it and I will! I'm not trying to 'eyeball' I was just sharing my experience with it.
If I could get better data I'd love to :( Breaking my own decision already.
It doesn't need to be parsed. Math can be done and has been done on the subject by Raenryong, myself, and others. We all arrived at the same conclusion: full Perle wins.
If you're serious about getting past your hardon for DA, look into the terms I used in my earlier post and figure out how they interact with your DPS. I'm done here.
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By Asura.Masekase 2010-08-04 02:48:11
Ifrit.Jurai said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Ifrit.Jurai said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Ifrit.Jurai said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: what do you mean 'superior'? Better total damage in a given timeframe, and for ***'s sake it's more than just attack.
Feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall here...
But that's what I'm trying to say! My "total damage in a given timeframe" is better with my old double attack items.
i sense an eyeballer
Yea, wont deny that. If I could post details I would. No one else is posting 'evidence' though either (saying Perle gives +x str, dex, w/e doesn't count because those are only applicable for the situation in which it was tested).
homam is way better keep using it all that double attack is super hot
Cool beans thx man will do /highfive
I think he was being sarcastic and download kparser.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-08-04 02:49:25
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Jurai said: what do you mean 'superior'? Better total damage in a given timeframe, and for ***'s sake it's more than just attack.
Feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall here...
if you don't stop beating stupid people over the head with the right answers i'm not going to have anyone left to feel superior to :( Reasons to stop posting in this thread: your ego and my sanity.
Good enough for me... ugh.
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2010-08-04 02:53:13
It's fun to stir up the pot and see what comes of it :D Peeps gave up too early :( I think I was being too stupid :\
But really I want to get a parse that works >< I can't get memloc for the one I used to use XD
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By Gilgamesh.Samuraiking 2010-08-04 02:57:00
It's been done a lot legitimately without the trolling before. Some people actually think 4% DA is better. It ends fast with math and proof otherwise or gtfo.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-08-04 02:57:51
i take it back
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2010-08-04 02:58:51
Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: It's been done a lot legitimately without the trolling before. Some people actually think 4% DA is better. It ends fast with math and proof otherwise or gtfo.
This is what I ask since page one- all I needed to know is if I should be concerned or not losing it- since at that current time in my playing it was better.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-08-04 02:59:22
Ifrit.Jurai said: It's fun to stir up the pot and see what comes of it :D Peeps gave up too early :( I think I was being too stupid :\
But really I want to get a parse that works >< I can't get memloc for the one I used to use XD
my kparser works
tried the bg thread "working parser"?
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2010-08-04 03:00:01
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Ifrit.Jurai said: It's fun to stir up the pot and see what comes of it :D Peeps gave up too early :( I think I was being too stupid :\
i want to claim you are just trying to safeface but the missions/blitz ring say otherwise
7/10 I like my Blitz ring lol and I don't want to do any mission except Windy. Bast/Sandy is not FF to me so I never try to do them.
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2010-08-04 03:01:36
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Ifrit.Jurai said: It's fun to stir up the pot and see what comes of it :D Peeps gave up too early :( I think I was being too stupid :\
But really I want to get a parse that works >< I can't get memloc for the one I used to use XD
my kparser works
tried the bg thread "working parser"? I tried bg and everything but they don't work >< just not copy the right memlock idk just it's not working :\
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By Asura.Masekase 2010-08-04 03:02:51
Ifrit.Jurai said: It's fun to stir up the pot and see what comes of it :D Peeps gave up too early :( I think I was being too stupid :\
But really I want to get a parse that works >< I can't get memloc for the one I used to use XD Quote: I'm seeing hardly any dmg increse and no add increase from Perle, only a loss in my DA- which adds more dmg than the att boost from Perle.
This made me wonder if you was serious. As you are 77 and can't wear the set yet.
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By Gilgamesh.Samuraiking 2010-08-04 03:03:35
Kparser is *** ***, terrible, terrible interface. It works, yes, but I don't like how it works. I used to run an old simple one that was perfect back in the day and it broke a few years back. Idr name but it was like FFParser or FFXIParser I think. Someone should fix it, was the best.
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2010-08-04 03:03:54
Right I am 77 and just got 78 in fov as I was typing in this thread.
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2010-08-04 03:05:21
Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Kparser is *** ***, terrible, terrible interface. It works, yes, but I don't like how it works. I used to run an old simple one that was perfect back in the day and it broke a few years back. Idr name but it was like FFParser or FFXIParser I think. Someone should fix it, was the best. Yes, that is what I used and it never worked anymore. I never got another since then.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-08-04 03:05:41
if you give me a skype name i'll send the file i'm using
if that doesn't work might be an issue with your comp?
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-08-04 03:06:51
Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Kparser is *** ***, terrible, terrible interface. It works, yes, but I don't like how it works. I used to run an old simple one that was perfect back in the day and it broke a few years back. Idr name but it was like FFParser or FFXIParser I think. Someone should fix it, was the best.
i liked app parser :/
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So, right now my set is pretty standard and I think is ok..
I'm about to get 78 and use Perle since that is assumed to be the new best.. or so I've heard anyway.
I know it gives much more att/acc than my current set up but my acc seems fine in pretty much all situations I do and I'm not sure how much dmg that att is really going to add.
I'm kinda not wanting to lose the 4% double attack from pole/askar.
I double attack quite frequently even /nin, say in this pt atm, criting sometimes for 250+ on the 2nd hit or w/e. At least double attacking twice/three times per mob with extra hits being 115+.
So, just say 3 times, 115 each, not gonna include maybe a crit- so almost 400 extra dmg from the double attacks. I doubt he extra attack from Perle is gonna give me 400 dmg for my dot vs that mob and my acc is fine w/o the extra acc from Perle.
To me it seems I'd need tons of attack to do that much more dmg dot wise vs what I can do with some extra double attacks per round. Even if Perle was +50~100 att more I don't see that even being enough to out do one or two extra double attacks.
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I guess what I'm asking is is that 4% double attack lost really going to matter? With 5%? from Brutal already- does it not matter that much that I'm losing 4%?
Or should I only use Perle set when I need the extra acc?
What about the double attack being lost for ws?
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