Sengikori

Regardless of what the description says, using Sengikori before the first WS -will- boost SC damage by a noticeable amount.

Sekkanoki >> Sengikori >> Tachi: Rana >> Tachi: Gekko

^ This for a boost in SC damage aaaand:

Sekkanoki >> Tachi: Rana >> Sengikori >> Tachi: Gekko

for a boost in MB damage.

This is all there is to it. If you really are all so brain dead you can't tell this go find a BLM that can actually MB and you will see if used on the closing WS for the SC the BLM MB is boosted by 400-600 on AMII. Just lock this thread now before more failwhale SAMs try to proove they are correct when they are not.

empty words, considering your sam is 21 and you don't have a non magic dd job 50+

Hes right though.

my BLM is 80 and you assume I dont have a SAM friend who isnt a retard like you? Posting with wrong character. Server merge ftl

I am sick of all these useless SAMs who cba to test anything properly and them claim its the right way to do things.

lolumad?

Maybe your server is full of less fail SAMs
Maybe your server is full of less fail SAMs than mine who consistently insist on using Sengikori first for everything

no we have quite a few of fail <jobs>

To be fair if I was a rdm in Nyzul with 3 blu I would be too busy rocking back in forth in the fetal position to refresh anyone.

Weaponskilling with Sengikori up makes it so that the next "action" is buffed. If you do Sengi -> Yuki, then the Gekko you follow with will have enhanced SC. If you do Sekkanoki -> Yuki > Sengi > Gekko, the Gekko will plant the buff on the next "action" whether it is a Magic Bursted Nuke, or a Kasha to create light, either the magic burst or the skillchain will be enhanced.

Sengikori only boosts 1 thing, it does not continue like a chain.

Basically if being paired with sekkanoki you should do this:
Enhanced SC Dmg: Sekka -> Sengi -> Rana -> Gekko
Rana plants the bonus, and gekko uses that bonus by creating a skillchain.

Enhanced MB Dmg: Sekka -> Rana -> Sengi -> Gekko -> Nuke
The Sengi-Gekko both creates a SC and plants the sengikori buff. The nuke takes the buff and recieves a boost.

I felt like repeating what a couple competent people have been saying because obviously facts aren't conclusive enough.

I'm telling ya, "Initiate" can be interpreted to mean "start" or "begin", in which case I would believe Sengikori would need to be applied before the first WS, or it could be interpreted to mean "create" or "ignite", in which case I would believe Sengikori would need to be applied before the 2nd WS. (keeping things simple and presuming 2-step skillchain here).

Please don't tell me to "look up" the meaning of "initiate" when you won't even admit that the word could have multiple pertinent meanings in the context it's used in for the in-game Ability description.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that you have to use Sengikori before the 1st WS. However, I've yet to see or hear any substantial proof one way or the other. I've seen lots of opinions and speculation.

I'd say that'd be about half right. I tried testing this a week or so ago for a few hours.



First SC was without Sengi, they averaged around there only really spiking over 600 a few times, so that was the benchmark I used.

I can't state anything as fact mind you but the bonus seems to be applied regardless of when you use the WS. In a sense, using Sengi to WS with someone who just WS'd, would also grant the bonus to the resulting SC, but not to a third consecutive WS or MB. Whereas using it first, would grant the bonus to someone elses SC, and if they use Sengi too, it would then apply to the third step etc. Increase seems to range anywhere from 10-20% too, but I have no idea if the same % applies to MB since I didn't test that.

Interesting.
So, just as we decided on a consensus, we have some data from Darkanaseur that suggests it doesn't even matter if you use Sengikori before the 1st WS or before the 2nd WS.

Now, this is a small sample size presented here, and we'd need to see the corresponding Tachi:Gekko damage for each Fragmentation in order to determine if the Renkei damage was greater than 1.08% of the Tachi:Gekko damage.

Nonetheless, this data flies in the face of our group consensus prior to Darkanaseur's post.
Thus, we need more data. Let's see it!

Yeah sorry, I would've posted sooner but I seem to have missed this thread somehow.

Edit: I'm just rounding here, but I avoided using any DA/STR gear on WS incase it gave random boosts to the SC. There was a lot more screens, but I just didn't want to edit and upload them all.