How Good Is Multihit Khanda For Atonement Spam?

Never. <,<

Well there's a few other situations depending if you bring a PLD, like Limbus etc. Hell I pld in Abyssea and TP on those NMs just fine. So OAT would likely kill my DoT there since I think? most NMs dont take full Atonement DMG.

Brutal Earring would slightly skew the favor toward Joyeuse, also.

So basicly, anything you can spam Atonement on the 2-3 times sword will win, and if you need straight DoT the OAT will win, sounds like they are fairly even in their use. In this situation I think I'll stick to just waiting until next update and see how the paths advance.

Thanks for the information, I was set on doing the OAT path but see that may not be the best choice~ +1 to you Sev for asking this question.

Use sanguine blade!!!

Thanks for reminding me of that, Sev I need to PM you some campaign questions that have been bugging me.

If base damage doesn't have anything to do with hitting 0 then why the hell am I wasting time using a ceremonial dagger on rdm solo... Perhaps other options are open with that knowledge.

Because rdm have shitty attack :P

Beestinger gooooooooooooooooo

Given D + fSTR > 0 (not talking about when D + fSTR <= 0), base damage affects slightly (generally speaking) the proportion of hits that are 0 (if your attack is relatively low enough that there is actually the possibility of 0s). This is a consequence of truncation where damage calculated before truncation (pDIF*(D + fSTR)) between 0 and 1 is rounded to 0.

For example, suppose (D + fSTR) = 10 for one weapon and (D + fSTR) = 80 for another weapon and fSTR is the same for both weapons. 0-damage hits occur when pDIF < 1/10 for the first weapon and pDIF < 1/80 for the second weapon, so the weapon with lower "effective" base damage will have a slightly higher proportion of 0s. The actual difference in the proportion of 0s depends on the range of pDIF though.

I'm not the originator of this argument, which I think is kind of stupid anyway, but it is technically true.

OK then… as people want to get picky

There are 2 ways to achieve a hit for 0.

Damage = (Pdif *( D + fSTR))

Either when your fSTR + your Base D = less than 0.
* This is where your ceremonial dagger is useful as it is pretty easy for RDM to have a fSTR of -1 on RDM vs higher level mobs.
* This will guarantee every hit is 0
* Getting a fSTR over -5 or -10 is very hard (unless you are under levelled) so whenever you are using a ‘normal’ weapon you will never reach this point

Or when your pdif rolls to less than 0
* This happens when your attack is low compared to the mobs defence
* When pdif rolls at 0, the base D has no effect on your damage as 1,000,000*0 = 0.
* This means some hits will be 0, some will be higher, as pdif has a random factor added
* This is problem 99% of the time when someone says they are hitting for zero.

What Antisense said is technically true, but 2 things:
* The difference is tiny, in theory for joy and hauty there is a range of 0.006 pdif where a joy will hit for 0 and the hauty won’t
* pDif is floored and truncated, therefore the minute differences are eaten up and forgotten about, so there is effectively no difference

Thanks for the clarification.

As a pld, what is the best way to prevent hitting 0 as often as possible? Is it attack that moves range it can hit on the pdif scale or str?

Attack+ will lower your 0 rate (Or the attack from STR+), STR itself raises your Base DMG in most situations which is relatively moot if your attack is low.

Also for rank 1 weapons fstr low caps at -1.

So once you get past 2 dmg weapons it becomes progressively harder to get your pdif low enough to make your dmg round down to 0.

Even something like Mkris at 8 with -1 fstr is hard since you'd need a pdif of at most .142 and the only way to garuntee that is to have a Cratio of -.215 and negative Cratio counts as 0 so yeah...

In fact I think 3 is the highest dmg you can garuntee 0 hits though 4 will get it alot.

This isn't counting crits which for higher than 1 dmg weapon pretty much garuntees at least 1 dmg

So I should get an Amemet Mantle (+1) for my TP build, then? :o

Or forager, or cerb(+1)

Uh, yeah, with my budget, I'm still saving up for my Cerb ; ;

-edit- Ohohohohshit :O It dropped down to 280k on my server O_O OF ALL THE DAYS TO NOT BE AT HOME....

Isn't Perle Set a great Atonement TP build now?

Oh and I've seen some addon misson backs that are pretty good. Like 3-4 str some acc and 17 att?

I guess if you don't have homams

Forgot I asked Raen about that lol, he said "Better unless using AF+1 feet (/blu for example)"

Also a huge question of mine since I'm approaching PLD78:

Would perle hauberk replace my haubergeon?

I like it, DD wise it certainly seems more powerful than the 3/5 Homan with Turban build. I will say I feel Perle loses out to adaptivity, with 3 Homam and Turban puting you at 14% haste you can freely swap your body piece around to what you need, like Ares, Hauby, or even Homam body if you are hurting that bad for Accuracy(shouldn't, but could happen).

Either Perle or 3 Homam with Turban is totally acceptable Atonement spam builds in my eyes though, and Perle is very easy to get now.

As to Ayne, sorta. Perle is best used as a full set to gain the 5% haste bonus, but going off a WAR thread that said Perle can replace Hauby NQ at least I'd say same would apply to PLD. as for HQ hauby better to do the homam / turban.

With full set, I'd say yes.

Or you could use grim cuirass :)

This is my current (partially wishlist) PLD TP set--I'm lacking Chiv Chain, Assault Earring, Cerb Mantle, and the Perle Brayettes, but altogether Haste+19%.... I'm at Haste+14% with my current set without the Perle pants, though.

I guess I might as well just do away Dusk set and put away my Walahra Turban? I JUST got Sea access, though, and am that much closer to getting Homam. Sadly not such a huge deal anymore since I'm closer to getting 78 and Perle set....
D; OH yeah, yeah--that's totally not out of my league.

Doing homams you'd get more acc if that matters. Though less str/att. But as previously said gives more body options depending on situation

You are at 16% haste. I'm assuming you went off the haste the gearset said, it actually counts the 5% instead of the 2's.

Perle is up to you, you'll lose 2 haste and the move speed - off the top of my head. 2 accuracy also from hauby. If you want can use it as a temp until you get Homam pieces.

I'd skip Girm and use Versa if you are doing PDT, not only enmity, but doesn't have the nasty +6 MDT...

Rajas! You also gain a lot of attack/str over homam/turban/haub.

BAH. Lazy ol' me.
I was thinking along the same lines! But I'm going to do a little more homework and plan things out a bit more^^
Q_Q BUT I WANT SATTVA CUZ IM A PARADIN

...without Atonement.

I'll get it someday, I swear >_>