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BLU Breath spells
Ragnarok.Vitaru
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By Ragnarok.Vitaru 2010-05-23 08:14:27
Ok so I was thinking which of the two sets below (Full HP Vs. Macc) will perform better for breath spells, if you can make a new better combination of the same items used, please suggest :)
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P.S. i'm at work now so can't really test ;/
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By Odin.Kalico 2010-05-23 08:45:26
You'll do more damage with a Hp build than a Macc.
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-05-23 10:29:10
I haven't bothered with breath spells for a really long time now, but basically, if it's something that's likely to resist, you're better off using INT based spells like regurgitation. So to that end, the higher HP the better, end of story (imo).
This comes from experience low manning quite a lot of different Tanihwa builds. Some of the ones we made have stupidly high resist rates, so I slowly swapped out my HP for macc. Resist rates DID go down, as did my maximum damage. Resist rates never got low enough to come close to the efficiency of regurgitation spam though. I have used breath spells to good effect in the past, but more and more I found myself using regurgitation instead. Damage/mp ratio on a good regurgitation build is about the same as a good HP build on a lot of mobs, but resist rate is almost always better, especially on the harder mobs. The biggest difference is that when you're using regurgitation, you can freely swap gear for other spells without having to worry about losing 600 HP for your next spell.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-23 10:45:30
You're getting an ~8.75% increase in max damage with the first set (assuming no HP merits, Taru BLU/NIN, some HP set, and Carbonara) and a 6% decrease in resist rate with the second.
1.0875=(x+0.06)/(x)
1.0875x=x+0.06
0.0875x=0.06
x=0.06/0.0875=0.686
The latter build would be preferable if your unresisted land rate was below 68.6% with the max damage build. There are improvements that can be made to one or both sets that change the threshold value, but with your current build that's about right. I think I overestimated HP from spells though.
I have to agree with Blazza here; if you're getting a resist rate that justifies the macc build you should probably be using a different spell.
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-23 10:49:17
Why the phil stole or morri robe?
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-05-23 11:05:47
lol... I noticed the phil stone, didn't even look at the morri robe lol, that's doing absolutely nothing in a breath build.
Leviathan.Abriel
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By Leviathan.Abriel 2010-05-23 15:44:59
I'd toss a relic hat or saurian's helm in there, they're too awesome to overlook (hq staves are pretty much a must for breath builds, their acc never was really awesome on most enemies).
the most fun I had with breaths was popping 1200 heat breaths on Dea and the obvious aiming into large charmed crowds in beseiged, after pushing nearly 4k hp with a giant's drink, lol.
Ragnarok.Vitaru
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By Ragnarok.Vitaru 2010-05-25 07:11:15
Odin.Blazza said: lol... I noticed the phil stone, didn't even look at the morri robe lol, that's doing absolutely nothing in a breath build.
lol..my phil stone has hp aug on it, as for the body, some say INT increases the MACC on spells.
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By Caitsith.Katas 2010-05-25 07:20:27
Agreed: HP all the way with HQ staff, dont skimp, its worth it pending what you are doing. However, like what was said, if you are going to be resisted dont bother hyping the MACC on breaths when you could be doing other spells.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-25 07:23:59
Ragnarok.Vitaru said: Odin.Blazza said: lol... I noticed the phil stone, didn't even look at the morri robe lol, that's doing absolutely nothing in a breath build. lol..my phil stone has hp aug on it, as for the body, some say INT increases the MACC on spells. Well you can probably get alot more hp on a neck then that aug.
As far as macc goes it probably does on the int based spells but I seriously doubt it does on breath. And even if it did the 15 skill from af body would be alot more macc
Shiva.Duey
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By Shiva.Duey 2010-05-25 07:49:46
with my BLU/MNK Elvaan 4/8 HP merits and carbonara i get like 2100-2200 HP (my set not done yet)
I guess another good change would be Crimson Body. HP+40 MP+40 is really nice.. also hard to get but nice is a Bloodbead Ring (HP+50) + bloodbead gorget (HP+60)and like mentioned before, AF2 +1 or Saurian helm for the nice DMG boost and some HP+ too
most of the time i use the HP set in dyna xarca or on JoL
only time i switch to MAcc is if i stay BLU for Dynamis lord. otherwise can just go for HP all the way imo
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-25 10:03:35
Ragnarok.Vitaru said: Odin.Blazza said: lol... I noticed the phil stone, didn't even look at the morri robe lol, that's doing absolutely nothing in a breath build.
lol..my phil stone has hp aug on it, as for the body, some say INT increases the MACC on spells. It does on certain spells, but breaths have no dINT component. As mentioned, AF+1 would provide far more macc regardless and also has HP on it.
Shiva.Duey said: with my BLU/MNK Elvaan 4/8 HP merits and carbonara i get like 2100-2200 HP (my set not done yet)
I guess another good change would be Crimson Body. HP 40 MP 40 is really nice.. also hard to get but nice is a Bloodbead Ring (HP 50) bloodbead gorget (HP 60)and like mentioned before, AF2 1 or Saurian helm for the nice DMG boost and some HP too
most of the time i use the HP set in dyna xarca or on JoL
only time i switch to MAcc is if i stay BLU for Dynamis lord. otherwise can just go for HP all the way imo AF+1 is probably better than WBody; 25 HP vs a 7.5% reduction in resist rate.
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By Leviathan.Abriel 2010-05-25 15:34:14
yeah, as far as I know there's nothing that translates to macc for breath spells aside from the obvious (skill and macc gear).
dynamis-xarc is one of the places where using a breath build is probably one of blu's strongest options (though blu is also the most capable job of taking on crowd-control in this area; survivability, massive aoe hate control, heavily accurate aoe sleep spells). for some reason, breath spells have excellent accuracy in dynamis areas (even outlands) and most magical spells are heavily resisted, don't ask me why 'cause I really have no clue as to why it works like that, lol.
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By Valefor.Angeluzun 2010-06-19 10:38:15
Odin.Blazza said: The biggest difference is that when you're using regurgitation, you can freely swap gear for other spells without having to worry about losing 600 HP for your next spell.
This is my biggest issue with my breath build, losing HP from gear swaps when switching to other spells and then (since most healers don't want to cure a blu because a blu can cure himself) having to spend my precious little MP on cure bombing myself
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By Unicorn.Ninetales 2010-06-19 10:47:00
An "economical" HP neck would be something like Ajase Beads. Cougar Pendant is a nice upgrade, buyable with Allied Notes. Shoot for Bloodbead Gorget if you're absolutely serious.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-06-19 11:56:28
Something I didn't notice the first time around: AF2 head wru? Best Breath head hands down.
By Vlorsutes 2010-06-19 12:08:20
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Something I didn't notice the first time around: AF2 head wru? Best Breath head hands down.
This.
Furthermore, if you're not able to get your hands on the Mirage Keffiyeh any time soon, I'd at least consider in investing/camping for a Saurian Helm.
Ok so I was thinking which of the two sets below (Full HP Vs. Macc) will perform better for breath spells, if you can make a new better combination of the same items used, please suggest :)
and
P.S. i'm at work now so can't really test ;/
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