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 Caitsith.Jar
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By Caitsith.Jar 2010-05-22 18:45:57
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Phoenix.Airbag said:
I'd like to see some maths comparing the -delay from dualwielding and the added hp from a shield

instead of derailing "LOL NOT GONNA GIVE MY OPINION IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE GIMP"


got 5 more hits with dual wield with my math thats about 900 more dmg (1500 HP) over the about 76 HP i get from putting shirld and erring on goin about 200 more DMG at 23 hits/ 30 seconds
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-05-22 18:46:17
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Phoenix.Airbag said:
I'd like to see some maths comparing the -delay from dualwielding and the added hp from a shield

instead of derailing "LOL NOT GONNA GIVE MY OPINION IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE GIMP"
Considering OP didn't even ask about shields, wtf are you talking about?

Yea, I can read your mind before you post in a thread. /sarcasm.

Oh lord since a shield has nothing to do with single or dualwielding daggers and a shield will have no impact versus the delay difference on daggers /sarcasm

You really act like a fool veg
 
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:47:57
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Phoenix.Airbag said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Phoenix.Airbag said:
I'd like to see some maths comparing the -delay from dualwielding and the added hp from a shield

instead of derailing "LOL NOT GONNA GIVE MY OPINION IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE GIMP"
Considering OP didn't even ask about shields, wtf are you talking about?

Yea, I can read your mind before you post in a thread. /sarcasm.

Oh lord since a shield has nothing to do with single or dualwielding daggers and a shield will have no impact versus the delay difference on daggers /sarcasm

You really act like a fool veg
A fool that has a clue as to what he's talking about as opposed to the fool who doesn't know ***
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-05-22 18:53:09
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I don't think you do, cause you havent answered any of OP's or my questions

Only throwing out ***thats been said a million times before and not what anyone is asking about, dont give a *** that you can solo fort hopping on your penis when thats not relevant to what anyone said lol
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:53:13
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Here, I'll meet you half way, you can do the rest yourself. DW'ing 2 republic daggers is 25% faster than single wielding one. 268.8 delay for for 2 daggers vs 168 for 1. Will do 20 hits in the same time it takes 1 dagger to do 16, 20/16 = 25% increase

That means you'll have to add enough HP to add 25% to your damage per hit to even tie, more to win.

Do the math, see how much HP you need to increase your dmg by 25%. I guarantee you it won't happen in the form of a shield.
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-05-22 18:54:41
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A legitimate response! /praise! Thank you lord vegetto, king of the ffxiahs!
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:55:05
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Phoenix.Airbag said:
A legitimate response! /praise! Thank you lord vegetto, king of the ffxiahs!
again, you don't know ***
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-05-22 18:57:23
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Neither do you!

Dual Wield II

* Obtained: Ninja Level 25
* Delay Reduction: 15%

Suppa added onto that is another 5, but 15 NOR 20 is equal to 25!!!! /surprise
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-05-22 18:57:57
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So you want a definitive response, yet chastise him for not giving you the obvious answer on a platter... Come on.
 
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By Hades.Excelior 2010-05-22 19:00:56
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Out of curosity, I see people occasionally dual wielding Mkris + ridill but thats completely gimp isn't it? I always assumed so at least but I've not done any math to support it either way.
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-05-22 19:01:18
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He used incorrect information to make that conclusion so what is it really?
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-05-22 19:03:38
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Phoenix.Airbag said:
Neither do you!

Dual Wield II

* Obtained: Ninja Level 25
* Delay Reduction: 15%

Suppa added onto that is another 5, but 15 NOR 20 is equal to 25!!!! /surprise

Combined delay of the daggers = 336

336*.2 = 67.2

336-67.2 = 268.8

Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Here, I'll meet you half way, you can do the rest yourself. DW'ing 2 republic daggers is 25% faster than single wielding one. 268.8 delay for for 2 daggers vs 168 for 1. Will do 20 hits in the same time it takes 1 dagger to do 16, 20/16 = 25% increase

Hay, look who maths!
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 19:03:53
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Neither do you!

Dual Wield II

* Obtained: Ninja Level 25
* Delay Reduction: 15%

Suppa added onto that is another 5, but 15 NOR 20 is equal to 25!!!! /surprise

Stop typing, you'll look less like a *** moron. Dual wield is like haste, the more you have of it, the better it gets.

168 x 2 = 336 delay

dual wield 2 and suppa = 20% DW

336 x .8 = 268.8

10 attack rounds

336 x 10 = 3360 delay

3360/268.8 = 12.5 attack rounds

12.5/10 = 1.25 = 25% increase.

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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-05-22 19:04:38
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OH DAMN VEG, I BEATS YOU!
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-05-22 19:07:12
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And if you were /drg and used wyvern shield + earring with the one dagger who would be the king of candy mountain then!

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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-05-22 19:08:12
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Not you.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 19:08:18
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Phoenix.Airbag said:
And if you were /drg and used wyvern shield earring with the one dagger who would be the king of candy mountain then!
Look who can't answer the OP now. Remember, he's /nin
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-05-22 19:09:23
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Technically, he can still use the items, they just won't have any effect lol
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-05-22 19:09:27
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Hey the op got his answer 2 lightyears ago, I just enjoy watching you big boys sweat
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-05-22 19:09:59
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Light years = Distance.
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-05-22 19:10:46
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Phoenix.Airbag said:
Hey the op got his answer 2 lightyears ago, I just enjoy watching you big boys sweat
ROFLROFLROFL distance.

Also, backpedaling, etc. Worst troll this forum has other than Vigor.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 19:12:00
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Phoenix.Airbag said:
Hey the op got his answer 2 lightyears ago, I just enjoy watching you big boys sweat
Sweat? I'm not sure about you, but 7th grade algebra doesn't make me "sweat". Although this may be an occurrence for someone with your brain capacity.
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-05-22 19:12:03
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Phoenix.Airbag said:
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rofl
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-05-22 19:28:49
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Level \drg, use 1 dagger and wyvern earring. Win.
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-05-22 20:57:28
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We came to the conclusion that if you don't have M. Kris, that's not the way to go about it.
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2010-05-24 13:46:53
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
168 x 2 = 336 delay

dual wield 2 and suppa = 20% DW

336 x .8 = 268.8

10 attack rounds

336 x 10 = 3360 delay

3360/268.8 = 12.5 attack rounds

12.5/10 = 1.25 = 25% increase.

So basically said, 2x Republic Daggers as /NIN are better than one, and will result in any of the total damages for them outlined in the link below?

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t0Uc2WHATXcUm-xaOCbo25A&output=html
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By Asura.Dameshi 2010-05-24 13:48:39
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Spawn more Overlords. Oh, not that kind of Zerg.
/shrug
Do it anyway.
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