...FFXIV...PS3 Beta... Apparently "will Not Be"

To me, console controlers are much easier to use instead of randomly assigned keys on a keyboard (normally being WASD for movement).

that's the thing. many of use have to, you know, save money for college books, which range from 300-600 per semester. (I don't understand why my damn psychology book was 150$ >>) and instead of buying a new PC every year like PC gamers do (because, ya know, the hax you guys download mess up your computer as well as you wanting more and more), PS3 is the way to go for some people. I know many people who will buy FFXIV on PS3 and not PC because they don't have that good of a PC. (on FFXI and IRL)

Console MMOs (i've been engrossed in one for like 2 years. it's an old one called Everquest Online Adventures -PS2 =P) aren't as bad as they seem. EQOA wasn't laggy at all. Had a huge playerbase when i played (now, it's a ghost town on my old server.) Same concept.

My curiousity is this: how many PC players use a controler for FFXI/WoW/Other MMOs. I'm sure there are a good bunch. Those that are, are doing a Console MMO format =P

Also, to Tousou - It is possible to upgrade PS3/360 but only Sony/Microsoft can do that if you want it to be legal/legit.

honestly, i bet you PC>all people are all talk. you guys know you've partied with 360/PS2 players many times. Hell, i bet you have friends that are on 360/PS2. Get that stick out of your ***. nobody gives a ***if you spend 4k on a supercomputer to play FFXI (or even to play FFXIV).

About finding more sources: i briefly googled last night, got nothing. But as i said earlier, if someone can confirm/deny it via S-E, it'd be very much appreciated. I told dameshi (via aim) i wanna punch the idiot who made the article if it wasn't true.

each MMO has it's lifespan. EQOA is dead. EQ is near the end, FFXI is getting near (i'm giving it 2 years tops)
FFXIV will end eventually. Everything with a beginning will have an end at some point of time. If Blizzard didn't make expansions, WoW would've ended by now. Aeon will end eventually. You get my point.

My point of view is that many people will buy it on PS3 reguardless what you want or don't want. Nobody knows how well it'll play on PS3 except the alpha testers. Maybe they're fixing it up for the beta to make PS3 play better than PC (if there even is a beta). To me, console controlers are much easier to use instead of randomly assigned keys on a keyboard (normally being WASD for movement).

unlikely that "PS3 Limitations" would become a reality. That being said, I do believe the entire "Limitations" card is rather stupid. It's kind of like expecting SE to remake every FF with photo-realism and tons of shiny. The game being an MMO, however, I can see where people expect it to evolve with the times. And now I'm rambling...

absolutely agree.

honestly, i don't think anyone has reached "PS3's limitations" yet. FFXIII is proof. Besides the linearity (which i personally don't mind, i like a good story) the graphics are clean, especially since all that was shoved onto one blu-ray disc. It's probably one of the best graphically designed games i've seen to date for the PS3. With this in mind, FFXIV will exceed everybody's console mmo expectations and will prove that a 600$ machine can preform just as well, if not better, than the $3k Alienware counterpart.

But that's... That's not random at all!!! WASD is power! WASD is Universal! WASD IS ETERNAL!!! XD

ok, hold up. There is a big difference between wishing that square would make the game pc-only so that we can avoid being saddled with "ps3 limitations" several years down the line, and actively disliking console players. I'm not a WoW fan, but one has to admit that keeping the game pc-only has allowed blizzard to keep WoW a lot more current than Square has FFXI. Sure i have friends that play on console. a lot of them are great people. My reasons for wanting FFXIV to be pc-exclusive don't have anything to do with some irrational dislike for console players.

that's just fine. i'm sure(as you mentioned earlier) that it's not much problem to hook a console-style controller to a computer(though i can't fathom how you play with one) It's worth noting that Ultima online(released in 1997) is still running. Interestingly, it's pc-based.

1. reason why WoW is still awake is because of advertising. whether it's hear-say of "OMG WOW IS AWESOME IT STOLE MY LIFE" or TV/magazine ads, it's all advertising.

2. how the hell do you know what PS3's limitations are? Besides, there's one thing you're forgetting. Sony can pull a M$ and allow upgrades, making it outperform the best computer. Yeah, in the future PCs would probably outperform it, but what PS3 has that PS2 didn't have is System Updates. keep that in mind also.

it's quite easy to lol i have my controler (for FFXI) based off of other FF games. start - main menu x - menu/accept/talk (with attack, items and so on) square - cancel, R1/L1 - macros

and the best one - control pad - toggle party.
=P i use a PS3 controller via USB =3

by looking at the easily measurable, inarguable specifications of its processor and video card. /facepalm for god's sake. i can't believe i even bothered to answer that. i can't imagine living with the delay in manually selecting your macroes as opposed to instantly hitting the keys, but it obviously works for some people, there are console players out there who are much better than me, to each their own

If they make FFXIV the same as they did FFXI then keyboard and mouse work fine on consoles. I play XI on ps2 with mouse and keyboard and it works fine.

people underestimate MMOs for consoles. and shh nobody knows about using mouse kb on ps2/360/ps3 don't ruin their moment

on #2 - Well duh, but my point is, devs haven't even pushed those limitations yet. The only time a dev has done that was Doom 3 (and that one had huge hype but not much hype anymore because it only played on the newest PCs, they did horrible on that because not everyone has the money for a new PC)

again, finance is an issue here. the advantage of a console is same ***for years while PC owners have to upgrade hardware more frequently (or replace).

Devs aren't going to be stupid and make FFXIV for PS3/360 like they did with FFXI for PS2/360 with many bugs and stuff like that. they fix it early so each system runs smoothly. If it's a sony or m$ problem, sony or M$ will do a system update if they want to keep their fanbase.

on #3 - honestly, there isn't any difference for macros. whether it's the fact you memorized a macro or if you have to search for them, it's the same delay. especially if you change your macros consantly (like i do) on what you're doing (like if i'm fighitng birds, i'd have Erase macroed because i Dia II as whm. if it's imps, i change Erase to Silena) sometimes it can be more than one thing (like my dynamis whm macros)

oh and i don't have cures macroed =P i manually do them and i do just fine that way. (my white magic is like this: cure1, cure2, cure3, cure4, cure5, cura, curaga and so on at the top =P)

this is illogical. If you say that a 600 mhz processor can be good if you "push" it, fine. The thing is, when you "push" a 4 ghz processor, the results will be even better. Sure, doom 3 was ahead of the curve. It's not financially viable to release games at the bleeding edge of PC technology, fair enough. In 5 years though, even games well behind the power curve will have a serious advantage over the PS3, and no amount of "pushing" will make up the gap.

that's not really what i meant by pushing it to the potential. what i mean is, let's say, first only 40% of the graphics card was being used but now 80-90%. not making it 150%

look at PS1 games. first few years they weren't as good graphically and processing, but then they got better and started pushing the potential. Perfect example - Final Fantasy 7 to Final Fantasy 9 Transition
same with PS2 games. if you ever look at games, it was first a bit choppy like PS1 but then became much and much better. Perfect example- Dynasty Warriors 3 to Dynasty Warriors 5 transition.
now it's with PS3 games. right now, not many devs have pushed potentials of the PS3.

2nd to last paragraph: Exactly. Technology is hard to predict (which is why i think M$ is stupid with the "not making any more xbox systems and just upgrading 360s") i know PS3 won't be the last PS console, but i know it still has potential to use. it's not just a paperweight =P one reason: Blu-ray. this is the first game console with a blu-ray. blu-ray shows much clearer images (even on a laptop. my brother has a sony viao with a bluray player and holy ***it looks different than dvd).
while PC has the advantage of hard drives, PS3 has advantages of both a hard drive AND a blu-ray player. much more potential. (kinda like how on 360 you can load the game to the hard drive but play it via disc and it won't lag and won't have a long load)

Sony claimed they didn't plan on having any new consoles for at least 10 years after the PS3 release. Considering it came out back in November of 2006, that means we still have 6.5 more years to go at the very least (They said at LEAST 10 years). AND we have to first survive the apocalypse in 2012 to get to that point.

Also note that i've never had a single framerate issue on any ps3 game i've had, so the poster above me will have to post some sources for me to believe that.

If you base FF14 on the current "norm" of the pc world, then it will be outdated in 2 years tops.

Surveys don't show ***.
why?
1. it's not a random survey. not everybody who plays Assassin Creed participated
2. the survey showed only forum members, which isn't very random.
3. the Margin of Error is probably very high, seeing as only 165 people voted in it while Assassin's creed sold 1,013,883 PS3 copies http://www.simexchange.com/stock.php?id=97 so that 165 is only a bitter small fraction of total users.

and yes, if you like to play MMOs on PC, you'd like to buy it on PC but your OP showed you wanted it only on PC and flamed PS3 and 360 users (which are a fraction of your friends) show some respect for console MMO players.

(i'm honestly tired of console wars.)

ok, hold up. There is a big difference between wishing that square would make the game pc-only so that we can avoid being saddled with "ps3 limitations" several years down the line, and actively disliking console players. I'm not a WoW fan, but one has to admit that keeping the game pc-only has allowed blizzard to keep WoW a lot more current than Square has FFXI.

Sure i have friends that play on console. a lot of them are great people. My reasons for wanting FFXIV to be pc-exclusive don't have anything to do with some irrational dislike for console players.

But that's... That's not random at all!!! WASD is power! WASD is Universal! WASD IS ETERNAL!!!

XD

As far as I can tell, WoW is pc exclusive and really hasn't looked much better than the "limitations" it was implanted with.

Either way you look at it, any MMO developer doesn't really want to retexture its game regardless of the limitations it has or hasn't. So the fear of "limitations" issue is a bit silly and debunked.

So the fear of "limitations" issue is a bit silly and debunked.

[ With this in mind, FFXIV will exceed everybody's console mmo expectations and will prove that a 600$ machine can preform just as well, if not better, than the $3k Alienware counterpart.