Haste Is NOT Exponential...

So... Everyone runs around saying haste is exponential, but why is that?

500 delay with 1% haste lowers the delay by 5.
24% haste lowers your delay to 380 from 500.
25% haste lowers your delay to 375 from 500.

Every 1% haste has the same effect on delay.

The term exponential refers to a curved rate of return that gets either greater or lesser at a faster rate the more you add to it. As you can plainly see in the example i showed, this is not the case. If it were, then going from 24 to 25% haste would have given a larger or smaller return than 5 delay, but as we can see it's a constant.
Yes, obviously the more haste you stack the better because it further reduces your delay by a constant amount, but it is in no way exponential. Every 1% you add will have the same exact effect on your delay as the first 1% you added. So... Why do people run around saying it's exponential?

So please, use a different word! Every time i read someone stating haste is exponential i want to slap them. It has a constant rate of return. It is a straight line. It is not exponential.



In case people still don't get it... This is a graph of an exponential return.


Here is a straight line graph, which is exactly how haste returns act:


(Note that these graphs weren't made by me and in no way reflect the actual values of haste, or have anything to do with haste. They are merely being used as a visual explanation of the difference between exponential and constant returns. Haste is NOT exponential.)

If haste were truly exponential, then adding 1% haste would do something like lower your delay by 5, while the 1% difference between 24 and 25 haste would lower your delay by like 15.

Inb4mathfags

The mathfags won't be able to prove it's exponential, because it's not. Yet they say it is, and convince the people who follow them that it is... Damage per second is exponential, but it has more factors than just delay.

Actually this is the first time I see this thread, so take your memes and throw them around in the religious debates.

/yawn

On a side note, though... If you scroll your browser up and down while looking at the straight line graph you can see an optical illusion lol. It looks like a curvy line.

wait, who said it was exponential?

Its obvious that Haste has a 1:1 effect on delay, but who would say otherwise?

It would appear I'm wrong!

Thank you, oh wise unscanned person.

Its true!
Making numbers fun for once.

Maybe, but i'm kinda getting sick of people trying to shove math down my throat.

Just a couple examples lol

I don't believe this news.

I don't think anyone has ever said its exponential. Haste is better the more you have until the cap.

Everyone knows how haste effects delay. It's a direct percentage. 50% haste = Delay x .5... so 500 delay x .5 = 250 delay.

Vegetto isn't exactly one who anyone can trust with math anyway.

His "formulas" he presents as his own are usually others, and when he tries to post anything of his thought, its always wrong.

So I wouldn't bother listening to Vegetto, he is a proven idiot anyway.

I've got a question, where's your maths to prove it isn't exponential?

I'm not arguing that it is but all you've done is tell us that blah blah% haste reduces our delay from x to y but not shown proof of that, am I supposed to just take your word for it?

You can't automatically see what your delay is after having haste added unless you've got some 3rd party program recording it for you.

Again i'm not arguing that it's exponential, I don't think it is but at least show some evidence for your findings rather than just some worn out maths most people already know.

Because it is. You are looking at it wrong. It exponentially increases your attack speed. You shouldn't be graphing haste vs delay but instead haste vs 1/delay

I could take your exponential equation and invert one of the axis like that and make it linear too

See, the way I look at Haste is;

"How does Haste work?"

"How does posi-track on a Plymouth work? It just does."

Here is a theory... Unless you are a program writer for SE.. STFU!! You didn't write the code, you didn't make the game, you didn't design the game mechanics. So, until someone from SE comes in here and says if it's exponential STFU and play the game!!!!

/end thread

I don't dabble in the math of FFXI, but I always assumed it was in steps.

Normal delay,
Minus gear haste,
Minus spell haste...

So it would be somewhat exponential. If you had just gear, it would be linear to add more gear, but the spell haste or haste samba would exponentially increase.

But haste lowers delay. Delay is the figure used to determine attack speed. Delay/60 = the number of seconds required to swing your weapon. It has nothing to do with hastes effect.
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Nobody really cares what you have to say.

Haha, something like this. It makes me hit faster which I like, so I'm cool with it.

dude... you're from Vietnam no one cares about what YOU have to say...

Right and reducing delay by a set amount doesn't increase attack speed by the same amount or even the same %