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 Quetzalcoatl.Valli
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-08-18 05:41:05
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Zero chance of OAx on these, that would pretty much make mythics obsolete.

just keep burning snowslit+2 and leafslit+2 *shrug*

The best I've seen so far is 17/18(?) acc/att and 6DA/3Crit (still making them worse than tinhaspa)
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By Bismarck.Kuroganashi 2014-08-18 05:50:57
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Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
Zero chance of OAx on these, that would pretty much make mythics obsolete.

just keep burning snowslit+2 and leafslit+2 *shrug*

The best I've seen so far is 17/18(?) acc/att and 6DA/3Crit (still making them worse than tinhaspa)

ya, I been Testing both Tinhaspa and New H2H

So Far Tinhaspa (Rank15 PATH A) does WAY More DMG on WS and Hits

However New H2H does have better ACC+ so at least wasn't a complete Waste of gil ^^;
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By Bismarck.Kuroganashi 2014-08-18 07:10:31
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Best I got so far.....
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By Asura.Trixta 2014-08-18 07:51:56
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Bismarck.Kuroganashi said: »
ya, I been Testing both Tinhaspa and New H2H So Far Tinhaspa (Rank15 PATH A) does WAY More DMG on WS and Hits However New H2H does have better ACC+ so at least wasn't a complete Waste of gil ^^;

You've dont the ATT + STR path on tinhaspa, so basically of course there gonna be doing more damage. wait until/if you get better augments on the new hand to hand before comparing. I don't think the new hand-to-hand are going to out parse Tinhaspa but still ^ that was a pretty pointless parse. The new hand-to-hand has more delay and only 2 more damage with no STR or ATT naturally.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-18 08:24:10
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Got a Macbain last night... Ended up getting:

Snapshot +5
Rapid Shot+3
Rapid Shot+3
Snapshot +3
Breath Damage Taken:-4%

before finally settling on Double Attack +2 -.-
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-18 08:34:33
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Got a Macbain last night... Ended up getting:

Snapshot +5
Rapid Shot+3
Rapid Shot+3
Snapshot +3
Breath Damage Taken:-4%

before finally settling on Double Attack +2 -.-

Not properly understand the structure and just experimenting willy-nilly, I got +2 fast cast on mine!

Then I stopped using stones and figured I'd do a little more research. <_<;
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-18 08:40:29
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I was using the Melee based Leafslit and leaftip stones +2.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-18 08:45:20
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
I was using the Melee based Leafslit and leaftip stones +2.

Oh, I just threw a few random +1s on it between some of our runs yesterday. I've got a ton of stones now to play with, though I want to get the runt a flute first. It may not be Gjallahorn but it will save me time and money from making him one and will fall under the "good enough for the mule" category.
 
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By Cerberus.Spirachub 2014-08-18 09:30:53
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LINK

JP wiki has a chart on the which stone/weapon gets what augment and also the maximum augment they've found (so far) for each stat.
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By Trixtaar 2014-08-18 09:34:46
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Cerberus.Spirachub said: »
LINK

JP wiki has a chart on the which stone/weapon gets what augment and also the maximum augment they've found (so far) for each stat.

Just need someone to translate it and bang it on the English wiki now and maybe itll be of some use :)
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By Cerberus.Spirachub 2014-08-18 09:37:43
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Auto translate will give you some idea of what's it's about :P
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-08-18 09:51:51
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On site this morning or I could translate it.

Top section is weapons listed on the left and stone types on the top.

the bottom section is the caps for the augments.
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By Asura.Loire 2014-08-18 09:52:05
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Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
Zero chance of OAx on these, that would pretty much make mythics obsolete.

just keep burning snowslit+2 and leafslit+2 *shrug*

The best I've seen so far is 17/18(?) acc/att and 6DA/3Crit (still making them worse than tinhaspa)
To be fair the oatx would have to work on weaponskill to make the mythic obsolete and traditionaly oatx (excluding virtue and mythic) do not get applied to weaponskill.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-08-18 13:12:26
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Trixtaar said: »
Cerberus.Spirachub said: »
LINK

JP wiki has a chart on the which stone/weapon gets what augment and also the maximum augment they've found (so far) for each stat.

Just need someone to translate it and bang it on the English wiki now and maybe itll be of some use :)

It basically says exactly what we already know from the few pics we've seen;
Snow +20 cap: (roughly)
Attack + 17
Hit + 25
Ranged Accuracy + 17
Ranged Attack + 17
All songs +2 (seen by them)
Meva +
Evasion +
Defense +10
Macc +20
MAB +20
Pet:MAB
Pet:Macc
Pet:Eva


Leaf- +6 cap

Haste
Double Attack
Store TP
Physical damage -
Rapid shot
Snapshot
Weapon Skill Damage +
Breath damage -
Critical hit

Leaf-magical 7~ cap
Fast Cast
Cure cast time -
Waltz recovery amount
Quick Magic
Song casting time -
Magic damage -
Magic burst damage +
Cure recovery amount +13
Element siphon - 20
Refresh +1

Leaf Pet: (not alot of people give a ***about pet+)
Haste
Regen
Critical
Physical damage -
Summon perp -
Repair recovery amount +
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By Quetzalcoatl.Langly 2014-08-18 14:52:30
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Seeing the random 'double augment' from one stone leads me to wonder just how good of an augment stack you can pile on there.

Pet: Double Attack + , Crit Hit Rate + on 1 piece of gear I've seen personally...

Can I get that on my weapon? Double augment for DA + Crit? Then get another double augment from the snow orbs for a total of 4?
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By Pantafernando 2014-08-18 14:59:17
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Looking all those stats one single stone can give, i dont feel that the new augment system got anything better than previous one, in the randomness process.
SE said we would have more control of process. I think it was ***.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-08-18 15:12:34
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It looks like:

Snow can give double augment, but only if it's a "pair" IE acc/att racc/ratt macc/mab

Leaf only seems to give 1 augment.

You shouldn't be able to get something like Crit+ DA+ Att+

(Purely speculation though)
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By Asura.Sechs 2014-08-18 15:34:28
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Maybe it's just a coincidence, but do you people think Moon Phase/Game day have an influence on the kind of augment that gets "favoured" by the RNG system?

Out of more than 20 Snoworb+2 stones and several other +1 and NQ I never saw a single Pet: Mab on my Keraunos.

Today I try again and out of 6 stones I get Pet: Mab 4 times.
A +16 (which I accidentally trashed >_>) a 14, a 11 and uhm the other was a 10 or something.

Was watersday, waning crescent 14%
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2014-08-18 15:35:32
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Maybe it's just a coincidence, but do you people think Moon Phase/Game day have an influence on the kind of augment that gets "favoured" by the RNG system?

Out of more than 20 Snoworb+2 stones and several other +1 and NQ I never saw a single Pet: Mab on my Keraunos.

Today I try again and out of 6 stones I get Pet: Mab 4 times.
A +16 (which I accidentally trashed >_>) a 14, a 11 and uhm the other was a 10 or something.

Was watersday, waning crescent 14%
Don't forget about the direction you're facing!
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-08-18 15:41:57
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Maybe it's just a coincidence, but do you people think Moon Phase/Game day have an influence on the kind of augment that gets "favoured" by the RNG system?

Out of more than 20 Snoworb+2 stones and several other +1 and NQ I never saw a single Pet: Mab on my Keraunos.

Today I try again and out of 6 stones I get Pet: Mab 4 times.
A +16 (which I accidentally trashed >_>) a 14, a 11 and uhm the other was a 10 or something.

Was watersday, waning crescent 14%

did you cast barwater on you before trying ?
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By Asura.Sechs 2014-08-18 16:07:46
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I was facing NE! Using HQ crystal too.
Owait...
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2014-08-18 16:16:12
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Asura.Sechs said: »
I was facing NE! Using HQ crystal too.
Owait...
Sorry, but the point is RNG is random. Let's not add too much speculation without a lot more data supporting a claim such as that, the way such ideas prevailed in the crafting community(and still do to some degree) for so long still irks me.
 
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By Asura.Sechs 2014-08-18 16:48:32
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Shiva.Spathaian said: »
Asura.Sechs said: »
I was facing NE! Using HQ crystal too.
Owait...
Sorry, but the point is RNG is random. Let's not add too much speculation without a lot more data supporting a claim such as that, the way such ideas prevailed in the crafting community(and still do to some degree) for so long still irks me.
I'm seriously skeptic about this stuff.
And numbers are way too small (like ~30 and 6) for them to mean anything.

But at the same time I found it a bizarre coincidence and wanted to share to see if anybody noticed anything similar.

While I don't think there's any form of control from SE's side with these stones, I wouldn't really be completely surprised if they implemented some super complex formula factoring in other day/time variables in.
Would you?
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2014-08-18 17:01:24
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Shiva.Spathaian said: »
Asura.Sechs said: »
I was facing NE! Using HQ crystal too.
Owait...
Sorry, but the point is RNG is random. Let's not add too much speculation without a lot more data supporting a claim such as that, the way such ideas prevailed in the crafting community(and still do to some degree) for so long still irks me.
I'm seriously skeptic about this stuff.
And numbers are way too small (like ~30 and 6) for them to mean anything.

But at the same time I found it a bizarre coincidence and wanted to share to see if anybody noticed anything similar.

While I don't think there's any form of control from SE's side with these stones, I wouldn't really be completely surprised if they implemented some super complex formula factoring in other day/time variables in.
Would you?
Yes, because SE enjoys screwing us over with random augments as evident of older skirmishes as well as older augment systems. I won't completely rule it out as a possibility seeing as they wanted to "give us more control" this time round but my skepticism for that control remains high as I'm sure most others' does as well.
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By Asura.Sechs 2014-08-20 03:06:04
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Confirming it was just a bizarre coincidence that generated my bias.
Used around 20 +1 stones yesterday and got Pet: Mab in the majority of them.
I really don't know what happened when I didn't see a single Pet: Mab in over 30 NQ/+1/+2 stones, but with such small numbers it's not something that impossible to happen, is it?
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By swordwiz 2014-08-20 04:21:37
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anyone know how many it takes to plus +3 the new flute ?
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