Eudaemon Alluvion Skirmishes
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Eudaemon Alluvion Skirmishes
Still need aegis and anni to be all relics. Guess horn was the first of the last targets.
Leviathan.Kaparu said: » They did this to every other relic. Why is this surprising? Sounds a bit more surprising now? Or maybe it's not, and the plethora of surprised people (wether they're happy or sad) are just a bunch of fools who shouldn't have been surprised after all.
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+3 wouldn't really close any gaps
Ballad is nice and all, but BRD isn't used for it Pantafernando said: » Well, this is surprising from SE to trash this way a high level item. Makes me wonder if SE plans in an ilv gjallarhorn for +5, or just troll all brds who spent 100m for their horn. Waiting for an aftermath augment for the sake of "balance"... Its not surprising from SE in my opinion. Take a look at ALOT of other situational relics like amano.. Bards are not the only victim in this infact bard was 1 or 2 or 3 jobs left where the relic was still awesome (ranger gun being one) the rest of the relics out there all got chucked aside pretty much over the last few updates or used situationally. So this was probably a long time coming. Calling out for relic buffs now after every other relic user was gimped months ago is just silly, Of course in time relics will get a buff. I doubt very much it'll be anytime soon. Asura.Sechs said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » They did this to every other relic. Why is this surprising? Yes, but do keep in mind how many of them are BIS even after being updated I'll grant you the "SE lied" thing, but it's certainly not the first time this has happened Amano is useless compared to tsurumaru, I don't see any SAM being butthurt about this, why are brd butthurt ?
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even after throwing 300 plutons at my amano for an extra 10-20m or whatever it is I paid at the time, it's still nothing but a fancy paperweight. least your gjallarhorn still retains its function and isn't surpassed in every way by a weapon that can be obtained in 20 minutes. pretty much the case for every single relic besides Aegis and Gjallarhorn, Yoichinoyumi and Annihilator get honored accolades but aren't nearly as impressive. all that's really happened is, brd has been put on the same (but still slightly higher) level as other jobs when it comes to relics. oh boy. but anyway, grass is greener etc
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Asura.Sechs said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » They did this to every other relic. Why is this surprising? Sounds a bit more surprising now? Or maybe it's not, and the plethora of surprised people (wether they're happy or sad) are just a bunch of fools who shouldn't have been surprised after all. LOL at you actually listening to SE [>.<] Asura.Ccl said: » Amano is useless compared to tsurumaru, I don't see any SAM being butthurt about this, why are brd butthurt ? the point i was trying to make in my last post, only in fewer words :P
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If you never saw a sam being butthurt, you should have forgotten when SE first trashed rem with delve 1.
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Fail quote inside of a fail quote
Well done
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Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Yes, but do keep in mind how many of them are BIS even after being updated (talking about Relics only, not RME in general) Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Fail quote inside of a fail quote Well done Yes I'm that good :D Shield drops for Cirdas, we got one last night from the Bugard NM. H2H is from Gallu in Rala, I've seen a few drop from it.
Pretty certain at this point each NM has 2 weapon types it can drop, for example H2H or Dagger for Gallu or Axe or Great Axe for Uragnite. Mega boss can probably drop any weapon, maybe specific to zone but I haven't confirmed that. List I know of so far: Gallu: Dagger, H2H Corse: Sword, Great Sword Uragnite: Axe, Great Axe Corse: Great Sword, ??? Dverger: Sword, ??? Bugard: Shield, ??? Golem: Bow, ??? I've only done one Cirdas so the list is far from complete. Also, I got a Staff from Rala which I think was from Corse, but I'm not 100% certain that was the NM. Asura.Sechs said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Yes, but do keep in mind how many of them are BIS even after being updated (talking about Relics only, not RME in general) their usefulness was significantly higher. things like Ragnarok, Apocalypse(kind of), and Amano were strong enough to be second best next to Mythics depending on the weapon; while some relics were, in fact, best in slot. the only one you could truly argue as worthless was claustrum.
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Asura.Sechs said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Yes, but do keep in mind how many of them are BIS even after being updated (talking about Relics only, not RME in general) Most were BIS or lost to other emp/myth, not to easy to get delve weapon. claustrum is now better than most(all?) non-RME nuking staves
excalibur is better than all non-RME swords(and burt if your acc is ***enough to invalidate am3 or you're swapping shields, which isn't that uncommon) aegis/yoichi/anni were already mentioned apocalypse has never been a weapon i'd advocate, but i'm sure some people still find uses for it believe spharai and gungnir still beat all non-rme not that it really matters, gjall is still leading this thing by 43~ m.acc and it's gold I thought spharai lost to delve II h2h but it's been forever since I ran number so idk for sure.
Asura.Ccl said: » Amano is useless compared to tsurumaru, I don't see any SAM being butthurt about this, why are brd butthurt ? Amano isn't *that* bad. If you absolutely, positively need a very large amount of accuracy (Yorcia Delve mandy and megaboss), then Amano gives +25 over Tsurumaru, plus OD2.5, which is admittedly negligible for samurai. I wouldn't start Amano right now, and I think Delve GK is "better" simply due to ease of obtaining, but Amano isn't bad. Ragnarok is still the best great sword. Amano is awfull, those 25acc never make up for tsuru save tp.
If you are a Tsuru sam being outparsed by an amano SAM you should probably quit the game. Amano isn't remotely worth the price tag in any given situation.
Mandau is also a relic that fell behind. Vajra crushes it and so does izh/atoy(occ. Att 2x) after the weaponskill update since mercy stroke is so behind rudra's now. So welcome to the club bards, very few jobs (pld/rng) still have relics that are the best in slot. And you still have the best horn even if its marginal now. Its honestly the same thing that has happened to all r/e/m for the most part they beat their skirmish/delve equivalent marginally. (Besides a select few)
I haven't plugged either Amano or Tsuru into the spreadsheet since the TP change, since I have Koga, which beats both. I'm assuming that you can 4-hit a Tsu in full acc gear under Ionis, but only 5-hit Amano?
not even that big of a deal anyway. most you got out of +4 to all songs was higher duration and a couple extra MP from ballad, also being able to use marcato on minuet instead of march. stirring the hive is still fun though
Asura.Ccl said: » I thought spharai lost to delve II h2h but it's been forever since I ran number so idk for sure. wut. Also idk why everyone is so excited at this ***instrument, what people want on their brds is 4 songs, they don't give a ***on your +4 if you don't have DDB99. If you already have DDB99 then you saved 200m otherwise you are still gimp. pchan said: » Asura.Ccl said: » I thought spharai lost to delve II h2h but it's been forever since I ran number so idk for sure. wut. Also idk why everyone is so excited at this ***instrument, what people want on their brds is 4 songs, they don't give a ***on your +4 if you don't have DDB99. If you already have DDB99 then you saved 200m otherwise you are still gimp. It's more the Ghorn brd being butthurt than everyone else being happy. pchan said: » Asura.Ccl said: » I thought spharai lost to delve II h2h but it's been forever since I ran number so idk for sure. wut. Also idk why everyone is so excited at this ***instrument, what people want on their brds is 4 songs, they don't give a ***on your +4 if you don't have DDB99. If you already have DDB99 then you saved 200m otherwise you are still gimp. So a horn that loses by just some magical accuracy is ***? Lol also if I was a bard I would be happy if I had not made ghorn yet. Use your fund to do empy 99 first. I would still want both personally but it is nice for newer brds to be able to either save 100m+ or prioritize empy without being gimp. If they aren't someone just sitting on 300M+ I dunno, I'd rather take a 3 song all song +4 over a 4 song and cast everything in daurb bard. lol
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It's still shocking to think how well my bard mule is making out for so little work lol.
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