Bravura WAR

Either you misunderstood what I was getting at, or I have no idea what you're talking about. Likely a mixture of both, with a tilt towards the latter.

To make a point about the defense down, it used to be pretty standard to have SAM use Ageha before they mutilated its proc rate; and, I was a huge advocate for it

I strongly doubt the proc rate is high enough to warrant using it, though - and even if it were 100% it would only be worth using once per however long it lasts (probably 2 minutes if Randgrith is any hint) and you still probably wouldn't make up for the damage you lost by not having access to Ukko's.

These are really two sides of the same coin, with Taint triumphantly dual-wielding Apocalypse and Ragnarok on the obverse and Austar, Minjo and me facepalmed on the converse.

Any job with measures of survive-ability can tank Odin v2, I don't see how 2 Bravura WARs would tank it better than 2 Ukon WARs, or 2 Amano SAMs, or Spharai MNKs

etc

FULLLLLL BREAKKKKKKKK!!!!!!

You win my [+]s for the day.

Heh, wasn't aware that Armor Break was -25% DEF. That's really the nail in the coffin for the non-argument being made for Bravura.

lol "The non-argument" lol Minjo you're so funny! /kneeslap

Thanks sweetheart.

:D

Shadow Breastplate; 2% TA, 5 acc vs. Phorcys Korazin on Upheaval with and without MS.

I think Phorcys should win all the time if Acc isn't an issue
If acc is an issue Breastplate might pull even/win

Thanks. I thought so but couldn't figure how potent the TA was.

The WSD on Phorcys isn't carried over for all hits. It's first hit only. I honestly wouldn't expect Phorcys to win if you have good Augments on the Breastplate, since I know the HQ beats Phorcys.

Edit: Mighty strikes zerging use Kirins Osode with crit damage 3 augment.

Back to Upheaval again. For someone who doesnt have Phorcys body or Valk Breastplate, is Mekira or Ares decent options for the WS?

On paper you're right. In practice, a good bravura war is better than two terrible Ukon wars or amano sams etc...

Phorcys better then Heca+1 hands with +4crit dmg???

Edit: ran the numbers myself Heca+1 > Phorcys for MS Upheaval

My MS Reso and MS Upheaval sets respectively

I think people really underestimate the impact crit dmg has..

so far my prov records are

8698 Reso (Ironically was with 90 Rag, haven't hit over 8300 since)
Using Valiant Lattitude and Persistance? the 15STR one
I don't think 9k+ is out of the question here.

Edit: 9337(7/24/2012 95 Rag)

7678 Upheaval
Using Valiant Deluges and Coercion (I hadn't upgraded lattitude yet and since have mainly used reso)

Derp edit:
Haidate Crit dmg +4 stp 4
Heca hands +3 crit dmg


Also I was still using pole grip not brave grip and atheling instead of cav, which would be obvious improvements I had overlooked. Still waiting to uncurse my cursed breastplate -1, like 0/agagilion on Pbody from odin...

Crit damage grip/back

So post them. And next time contribute to the sets as theyre made!
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27223/upheaval-thoughts/9/ It was somewhere around here.

Lol.

Your argument is irrelevant. A good Ukon war is better than a good Bravura war. And if you're "good, why would you want to gimp yourself? I would think "good" implies optimal gear choices.

Man how did I miss that derping of brain tissue.

More like, on paper I'm right, in practice I'm right.

I think that makes me perfect.

What are the actual numbers on UF vs Upheaval anyways?
I can't see much difference on avarage ws dmg between the two the rare occations I do parse.
And in general bravura vs ukon (both 99, and how low can ukon go to perform equal)

The weaponskill damage isn't too different, depending on what you're fighting.

The more level correction comes into play, the bigger (or higher) Ukko's will be in comparison to Upheaval.

Bravura is also in weird situation in comparison to Ukon as well because while it has 40ACC on it, making it ideal for high level content, high level content=high level correction=advantage Ukko's. There are times when you can need to add 100ACC to an Ukon TP/WS set and it will still be outperforming Bravura.

Ukon also benefits from both of WAR's 5m AoE JA's (TP Bonus Warcry, Blood Rage)

Mob
Level Defense Evasion Agi Vit
110 560 485 120 120

Hasso 1
Berserk 1
Aggressor 1
Restraint 1
Mighty Strikes 1


Set 1
Ukonvasara (99)
brave
Ravager
Ravager +2
Apathy
Brutal
Moonshade AttTP
Osode
Phorcys
VIT RING
VIT RING
Cavaros
Windbuffet
Warrior +2
Ravager +2

Average Damage: 4142



Set 2
Ukonvasara (99)
brave
Ravager
Ravager +2
Apathy
Brutal
Moonshade AttTP
Osode
Hecatomb +1
VIT RING
VIT RING
Cavaros
Windbuffet
Warrior +2
Ravager +2


Average Damage 4170

Good implies optimal gears + gears swap + Knowing your job etc...
I didn't compare a good bravura vs a good ukon for obvious reasons.

No gloves
280*4.765=1334.2
*3=4002.6
*1.16=4643.016

Phorcys
288*4.805=1383.84
*3=4151.52
*1.16=4815.7632

Heca+1
280*4.765=1334.2
*3=4002.6
*1.2=4803.12

No Gloves
310*4.765=1477.15
*3=4431.45
*1.16=5140.482

Phorcys
318*4.805=1527.99
*3=4583.97
*1.16=5317.4052

Heca+1
310*4.765=1477.15
*3=4431.45
*1.2=5317.74

310 Base damage is where Heca+1 start to be better than Phorcys for this set. The set adds 56 VIT, and with a 99 Ukon your Weapon damage is 156, which gives a total of 203.6 base damage. Which means you need to make up 106.4 base damage in fSTR and base VIT. 25 is where fSTR caps on 99 Ukon, which means you would need 95 Base VIT to make up the rest.

What am I actually saying here? I'm saying if you have capped fSTR, 95+ Base VIT and a 99 Ukon, Heca hands+1 are 0.5 average damage better than Phorcys hands for this set. If you have a weapon thats a lower weapon rank than 99 Ukon, like a 95 Ukon, or if your fSTR is not for sure capped, Phorcys hands are better. Unless of course I screwed up this math somewhere, feel free to correct any errors I made.

PROTIP: Don't stay up for a really long time then try and do math to see if who is right about a random gear set, you'll have to do it 3 or 4 times.

EDIT: Phorcys win by more if you gain anything from the attack also, because that's not even factored in.

So I need Phorcys Head, Body and Heads for my Brovaura? Lol.

You need the legs too, because youll want to use those for Upheaval when youre not capped attack, and the shoes for your PDT set.