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 Unicorn.Grimjow
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By Unicorn.Grimjow 2010-01-22 04:06:52
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So I was curious.... does anyone know the caps for the following I will also include a few factors.

STR- What's the base cap like with gear. Also can that cap be broken by abilities and food etc. ?

ACC- Same as above

Basically I have been messing with my WS build and I wanted to know when enough ACC is enough or Enough STR is enough.

Also I would like to know the Cap/Caps on Atk.

Thanks in advance ^_^

P.S.

Amano > Futsuno > Hagun > the other GK's :P
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-01-22 04:08:21
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STR- TPing STR or WS STR? There's no cap on WS STR. Get as much as you can.

ACC- 408 is the magic number. Get 408 total ACC and you're set for merit parties.
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By Unicorn.Grimjow 2010-01-22 04:19:56
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Well here are the Gear set up's I am working towards.

Again feel free to rip them apart esp. if you have logical reasons to :)

TP set up:

main "Hagun";
sub "Pole Grip";
ammo "Black Tathlum";
head "Ace's Helm";
neck "Justice Torque";
ear1 "Bushinomimi";
ear2 "Brutal Earring";
body "Usukane Haramaki";
hands "Dusk Gloves";
ring1 "Toreador's Ring";
ring2 "Rajas Ring";
back "Cerb. Mantle +1";
waist "Velocious Belt";
legs "Byakko's Haidate";
feet "Usukane Sune-Ate";

And for WS

main "Hagun";
sub "Pole Grip";
ammo "Black Tathlum";
head "Gnadbhod's Helm";
neck "Snow Gorget";
ear1 "Bushinomimi";
ear2 "Brutal Earring";
body "Usukane Haramaki";
hands "Alkyoneus's Brc.";
ring1 "Toreador's Ring";
ring2 "Rajas Ring";
back "Cerb. Mantle +1";
waist "Warwolf Belt";
legs "Hachiryu Haidate";
feet "Usukane Sune-Ate";

*edit* also

As far as TP I simply stack like this:

Haste > Acc > Atk > STR. Also making sure I get my 6 hit.

As far as WS I know all the +STR I can get is good but I was simply curious on balancing STR with ACC and Atk.


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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2010-01-22 04:24:02
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Unicorn.Grimjow said:
Well here are the Gear set up's I am working towards.

Again feel free to rip them apart esp. if you have logical reasons to :)

TP set up:

main "Hagun";
sub "Pole Grip";
ammo "Black Tathlum";
head "Ace's Helm";
neck "Justice Torque";
ear1 "Bushinomimi";
ear2 "Brutal Earring";
body "Usukane Haramaki";
hands "Dusk Gloves";
ring1 "Toreador's Ring";
ring2 "Rajas Ring";
back "Cerb. Mantle 1";
waist "Velocious Belt";
legs "Byakko's Haidate";
feet "Usukane Sune-Ate";

And for WS

main "Hagun";
sub "Pole Grip";
ammo "Black Tathlum";
head "Gnadbhod's Helm";
neck "Snow Gorget";
ear1 "Bushinomimi";
ear2 "Brutal Earring";
body "Usukane Haramaki";
hands "Alkyoneus's Brc.";
ring1 "Toreador's Ring";
ring2 "Rajas Ring";
back "Cerb. Mantle 1";
waist "Warwolf Belt";
legs "Hachiryu Haidate";
feet "Usukane Sune-Ate";

I'd swap Toreador's Ring for Flame Ring in your WS, but other than that I can't think of any changes I'd make (granted I don't really play my SAM much when I'm not solo, so I might not have the best idea on the other pieces). I also use Smilodon Mantle +1 for back piece on WS too.

EDIT: SAM WS's have capped accuracy anyway, so there's no point on adding Accuracy into Y/G/K (You'll need some if you use Rana, I don't have it though).
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2010-01-22 04:24:09
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Don't put any ACC in your WS build intentionally. GK weapon skills with the exception of Rana are near always at capped accuracy due to their innate accuracy bonus.

The same goes for Attack on WS, Y/G/K all get massive attack boosts, with Gekko being the most highly buffed. Gekko will double your current attack, Kasha having an approximate 66% attack boost, and Yuki being in the range of 33%. In other words, Smilodon Mantle +1 for Gekko, Forager/Cerb+1 for Kasha/Yuki.

And yes, stack all the STR you can for Weapon Skills. Take a peek at my sets if you want to get some good ideas on how to work it.

Oh, and stop wearing Askar body. Look at this set below, and learn to love it. You sacrifice WAY too much accuracy using that body. The only time it's viable is if you're fighting T or lower without acc food, or VTish and Marinara Pizza +1. Get a haubergeon please.

Use this, and you'll love it.




Also, do not use Usu Sune-ate for WS. Rutter Sabatons, or to a lesser extent, Askar feet.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-01-22 04:26:39
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Seeing as how you're using Hagun, I'd venture a guess that that's a TP setup for Mamools or something else that's not Colibri. In that case, pick up some Marinara Pizza, drop the Ace's Helm and switch to Turban. Then calculate your ACC. Just looking at it, I can tell you that with Marinara Pizza up, you can drop all your ACC gear except the Torque, Haramaki, Sune-Ate, and Toreador's ring and still have capped ACC.

Other than that, there's really not much to complain about.
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2010-01-22 04:27:27
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Not to mention that since you have V.Belt, you'll have a 22% haste 6-hit with the set I listed.
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By Kujata.Argettio 2010-01-22 04:29:44
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Right there is no cap to STR or accuracy - you can equip as much as you want.

There are caps on fSTR (your STR/monsters VIT) and hit rate.

For GKT WS are all about STR, there is a hidden accuracy boost that take affect in Y/G/K so you can forgo accuracy gear. Your Rana and Penta builds should have similar levels of accuracy as your TP build.

For TP, the amount of accuracy you need depends on the mob you are fighting. 400-420 is a good number to aim for, then you eat meat/pizza/sushi depending on what you are fighting.

Edit: Late/beaten
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By Unicorn.Frisk 2010-01-22 04:29:54
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Sylph.Hitetsu said:
EDIT: SAM WS's have capped accuracy anyway
I might be HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, but can you explain that statement to me?
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2010-01-22 04:31:34
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Unicorn.Frisk said:
Sylph.Hitetsu said:
EDIT: SAM WS's have capped accuracy anyway
I might be HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, but can you explain that statement to me?

Tachi: Yuki, Gekko and Kasha have all been parsed to a 95% Accuracy rating. 95% being Accuracy cap.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-01-22 04:31:47
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Unicorn.Frisk said:
Sylph.Hitetsu said:
EDIT: SAM WS's have capped accuracy anyway
I might be HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, but can you explain that statement to me?
It's not capped. It's just the first hit of any WS gains a massive ACC boost, something like +150 if memory serves me correctly. And since all the good SAM WSs, minus Rana, are single-hit, they're all pretty much guaranteed to land 95% of the time.
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By Kujata.Argettio 2010-01-22 04:31:48
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Edit: beaten mk2
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By Unicorn.Grimjow 2010-01-22 04:32:26
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Well I have had a Hauby +1 in the past check my equip history :P

I was sadly hacked by my roomie.... (well ex rommie) And I am in the process of rebuilding....

I see in your set up you have the 11 needed for 6 hit.

But you lose the +2 % Double Atk with Rose Strap the +4 Atk with Ecphoria Ring.

I will leave the Cuch/Cerby/Foragers/etc. issue alone lol. the reason i um using Askar ATM though is I lose a little Acc but I keep my 6 hit and gain Double Attack +4% I lose out on +14 Acc but food can make that up NP while I don't think food gives Double Atk?

I also have been told Double Atk can proc in WS's so not sure.

Again this is why I am asking....
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2010-01-22 04:32:58
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Unicorn.Frisk said:
Sylph.Hitetsu said:
EDIT: SAM WS's have capped accuracy anyway
I might be HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, but can you explain that statement to me?

Samurai Weapon skills have an accuracy bonus that forces them to be capped on anything. You can be parsing 75% melee accuracy on something stupid high level, yet still get a 95% hit rate on your WS's due to the bonus. It's this way with a lot of true 1-hit WS.



And yes, you can DA weapon skills, but 4% double attack does not come close to comparing with the 5-6% hit rate you're dropping by using Askar. I'm not lying to you on this, Askar Korazin is not good for anything higher level.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-01-22 04:37:31
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Unicorn.Frisk said:
and on what mob did they have 95% on? merit mobs?
about 95%+ of the mobs in the game
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2010-01-22 04:37:39
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Also, I'm going to seem like an *** on this, but don't use /nin. Seigan/Third Eye is there for a reason, and I haven't used /NIN but once or twice for special circumstances (Spellcasting NM soloing) in the last year and a half.
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By Unicorn.Frisk 2010-01-22 04:38:35
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Siren.Enternius said:
It's not capped. It's just the first hit of any WS gains a massive ACC boost, something like +150 if memory serves me correctly. And since all the good SAM WSs, minus Rana, are single-hit, they're all pretty much guaranteed to land 95% of the time.

I guarantee you that ain't the case with kaiten
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-01-22 04:39:17
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Pandemonium.Vincentius said:
Also, I'm going to seem like an *** on this, but don't use /nin. Seigan/Third Eye is there for a reason, and I haven't used /NIN but once or twice for special circumstances (Spellcasting NM soloing) in the last year and a half.
^This. Having to switch from Hasso to Seigan for 30 seconds is miles better than losing 10% Double Attack, Berserk, and minor STR and Attack bonuses.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-01-22 04:41:21
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I guarantee you that ain't the case with kaiten
I'm not quite sure on the exact amount of the boost, but yes, it is the case with EVERY melee WS. The first hit gets a huge acc bonus.
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By Unicorn.Frisk 2010-01-22 04:42:16
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
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I guarantee you that ain't the case with kaiten
I'm not quite sure on the exact amount of the boost, but yes, it is the case with EVERY melee WS. The first hit gets a huge acc bonus.

I was referring to the of 95% WS on kaiten
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-01-22 04:43:25
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I was referring to the of 95% WS on kaiten
Are you parsing or eyeballing? Eyeballing can be very very inaccurate.
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2010-01-22 04:43:52
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Unicorn.Frisk said:
I guarantee you that ain't the case with kaiten

Since when? And because you have an amano doesn't automatically mean you're doing it right. Eyeballing means nothing.
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2010-01-22 04:44:27
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Pandemonium.Vincentius said:
Sylph.Hitetsu said:
I guarantee you that ain't the case with kaiten

Since when? And because you have an amano doesn't automatically mean you're doing it right. Eyeballing means nothing.

>_> How did I get quoted on that?
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2010-01-22 04:45:36
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My bad. I'm *** tired, and it wouldn't quote for me, so I went into an old post and pulled the wrong name. XD

Fixed.
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By Unicorn.Frisk 2010-01-22 04:50:38
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you're right i'm eyeballing unless it's a merit pt, which I obviously parse acc cap in
***like dynamis-xarca is another story though, so I guess that falls into the 5% category
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2010-01-22 04:51:32
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Stop using Kaiten when the THF mobs use Perfect Dodge then? =/

There was no need for the derail really.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-01-22 04:52:11
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Again, do you have any parses, or are you eyeballing? Kaiten should have the same acc as gekko, and I have no problems landing gekko there. Also, if your're that worried about acc, eat a pizza instead of meat, then swap to something better than full usu.
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By Asura.Artemicion 2010-01-22 04:56:36
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Vegetto, if I ever come back to FFXI you gotta show me how to be pro :3
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By Unicorn.Frisk 2010-01-22 04:58:27
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Pandemonium.Vincentius said:
Stop using Kaiten when the THF mobs use Perfect Dodge then? =/

There was no need for the derail really.

I asked a simple question and you and 3 other ppl jumped on me
if you cared that much why continue the derail?

Fairy.Vegetto said:
Again, do you have any parses, or are you eyeballing?
Unicorn.Frisk said:
you're right i'm eyeballing unless it's a merit pt
I already answered you before
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