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TPGear Store TP +9 Haste +20% STR+19 DEX+22 Acc+22 Attack +25


Y/G/K WS Gear Store TP +18 STR+54 DEX+11 WSAcc+17 Acc+5


So far, when borrowing my friend's Hagun with these setups, I'm pleasantly
pleased. I know there's plenty of "Usukane!!!RAWR!!!" or "+1 Hauby or
gtfo" players.

I'm instead looking for improvements to this setup given a basic given premise
that I'm unable to afford more than 2mil per piece to upgrade specifically and I
don't currently have time for a Salvage or Sea LS.

I was thinking of switching from Hauby to an ACP body with Store TP +4 & Acc+10
in order to better improve on DoT in tp gear.

Any thoughts?

EDIT: Had wrong itemset for TP Gear
EDIT #2:Obviously I don't switch the location of Brutal and Rajas, just disregard the fact that
ffxiah's equip setup doesn't allow me to lock positions of gear.

Why does your ws set have more store tp than your tp set? Well some haste I guess but really should be wsing in more str. I'd look at whatever store tp you'd need to get whatever hit to 100% (6 hit for gkt I think?)and use that to figure out how much store tp to get. Um there is a strap that gives store tp

Edit: rose strap

pole grip?

@Dasva: Store TP 5/5 @ SAM75 (+35)
StoreTP +9 * 5 (5 melee hits) + StoreTP +18 * 1 (WS)
which gives me +44 *5 and +53 (WS) for my setup.

That actually gives the >= 100% with a 6-hit setup and by the same token
gives me just a 13-hit for 200% (max damage output with Hagun) if for
some reason I'm holding TP or unable to weapon skill immediately.

There are other options than using a flat Store TP number for both setups,
which is one of the things I have been successful with playing with.

Rose Strap is a good idea, however I'm losing +3 on STR for the WS,
considering I can't swap it out, unless you have thoughts on where I
can add more strength without sacrificing my 6-hit.
I'm working on a Rose Strap setup, but compared to the numbers I can pull
with my current WS setup (using NQ only) I'm not sure how it'll pan out.

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@izzlet: Regarding Pole Grip, same reason for not using the Rose Strap is
I'm losing the +3 on WS. I'm sure I can spare it, and I do have one, but
for some reason I've been under the impression that more STR is better for
Y/G/K. Any reason as to this choice that I might consider swapping?
Is it really worth the +2% DA to chance on affecting my Weapon Skill damage?

+3 is generally outweighted by 4store tp or double attack. Especially since you can just throw tons more str into your ws set then you currently are since your putting alot of store tp into it. Also I'm pretty sure foragers will do more than smildon for wsing

I've kind of removed myself from the thought process of non-Usu, but I remember seeing a really similar build involving Rose Strap freeing up the neck slot and allowing you to do more with your WS set. I can't run the numbers right now, but as it's currently setup whatever you gain with Axe Grip is lost in your WS legs and possibly feet.

If it really came down to it you could resort to Enkidu Legs for WS to fill the gap. Either way I believe with DA+ once you already have a substantial amount (5-15% brutal/war/nonwar) adding on more does less and less for your overall damage, but I've never seen a build using Axe Grip likely because it isn't doing much for your melee DoT whereas DA+ or StoreTP+ effect both.

Technically DAs amount gains remain the same no matter how much you get assuming no other stuff like triple attack. However percentage gain goes down the more you get. Another reason why haste is so much better

Pole Grip is an easy swap then with that new info.

Regarding the Forager's. Would it be best just to full-time it even
with Y/G/K knowing that Gekko has a near-cap Attack modifier or should
I use Forager's for Yuki/Kasha and stick with Smilodon +1 for Gekko?

Freeing up the neck slot would be nice, the research I've done shows
Rose Strap wasn't that great except for finishing out a Store TP build.
Maybe I misread...
Enkidu's Subligar is an interesting suggestion as I don't currently do ZNM nor
have I done any ZNM whatsoever and have yet to see it on anyone's
personal favorite lists for TP or WS setups for SAM.
It would make an interesting replacement for the Shinimusha Haidate I've
been using for so long as well as giving me an extra STR boost for WS
and if I were to use Rose Strap,
I could permanently drop the Attila's Earring and lolEcphoria.

This is great new info to me, as it's not something I've seen elsewhere.
If anyone else has more thoughts, I'd LOVE to hear them as well as
responses to my recently added questions in this post ^^

Yeah I noted it was in reference to overall damage gains, not literal DA percentage. To clear up the message for anyone else, in the way haste gets better the more you have (because it's exponential), you see less in the way of results from stacking on more and more DA after a certain point, though I have no math to back up the claim as it's just what I've heard over time.

Rajas/Rose/Brutal/Ecphoria, can remove the Ecphoria for WS. I believe that's the setup you're referring to, best option for non-Usu SAMs.

Well part of it is you really shouldn't be subbing store tp gear to get a little bit more out of your ws set. The loss of str or something is more noticable and your gains out of store tp less since it is only that one hit. So using your same set you could probably not sub in any store tp on your ws set maybe even take out a peice in your tp set and still get tp just as fast while free up alot of str for the ws.

There are several legs that give 3-5 str and if you were loaded one that gives 10. A ws gorget if you have sea would be nice. Idk what you mean about gekko having capped att mod since wiki says they all the same except what effects they have and elements for skillchains.

I believe the Rose/Rajas build still includes Ecphoria, but that also doesn't account for WSing in Enkidu because most use Shura or Usu legs so Ecphoria may not apply there. Ideally you'd be able to TP in Peacock or Justice and WS in a Sea Gorget as that will improve overall damage in both stages as well.

Regarding Mantles, I'd continue to use Forager's for Y/K and HQ Smilodon for Gekko. It's a slight different and it can be negligible if you don't have inventory space for it, but if you do then may as well get the extra gains!

Rose Strap really isn't that great in itself, but it frees up other, better slots so in that way it can be invaluable to non-Usu 6-hit setups.

Yupyup! Thanks, Fyre.

I noticed you have sea. instead of using chivy chain you could work on getting sea gorgets.. I use flame and snow it covers Y/K/G and Rana. Id also switch to pole grip.. you lose +3 STR but u gain DA which stacked with Brutals and /war that makes up for WS out put. Also id suggest rutters for WS. All these things arent expensive just time consuming and u can do it solo with sam/dnc or ask for a friends help.

This is what i am currently using for my sam WS. Its not the best but it puts out high numbers



Gl with gorgets if u decide to go for them.

Neo

Meh guess what I meant was a certain amount of +double attack will always add the same amount of dmg over a certain number of attack phases or time. However the more you add the more swings you will get while your adding the same amount linearly which kinda gets icky after awhile since the % change is next to nothing. Well ok when you hit 100% not going to get anymore lol. Like +1% double will always give you 1 extra hit every 100 attack phases which with 0% double attack is a 1% increase in attack frequency but if you had 99% double attack before that and were already getting 199 swings in then its more like a .5% increase.

While haste is all crazy and pretty much exponential like.

Yeah Chiv Chain was more for the Store TP and +Acc as being Mithra I didn't
notice a real increase in damage using PCharm and it gave me the +1 I needed
for my setup long before Rose Strap was released.
I've been considering gorgets for a long time but unfortunately don't have
a Sea shell (pun much?) nor time to join another one.

Usu would be great for my SAM, no doubt, however with as many 75 jobs
as I have and RDM being my main first love, if I were to work on Salvage
my funds would be going to Morrigan's Robe instead.

If Rajas/Rose/Brutal/Ecphoria work, wouldn't Rajas/Rose/Brutal/Chiv also work
under the same concept since I can remove Ecphoria for WS, couldn't I just
as easily swap in Sea Gorgets for WS in place of Chiv Chain?

Get Snow then Shadow, since you can use Shadow for Penta also

Just ran the numbers and doing +11 for TP I can do +9 for WS and still
hit my 6-hit, so technically I could drop Brutal (as if) as well if for
some reason some crazy *** +DA Earring comes out that lacks a +1 Store TP.

Think I may go with Rose/Rajas/Brutal/Chiv unless someone suggests otherwise.
Mainly because I could use Ulthalam's Ring (in cases of Nyzul/Assaults)
and still gain the benefit of the +Acc and +Attack when not using it or
even full-time a STR ring.

Thoughts?
EDIT: Also Chiv Chain + Woodsman or even Ulthalam's = Peacock Charm + Ecphoria amirite?

Sea gorgets are very low manable. In fact you may be able to solo them

Since the OP is already a RDM, just grab a brd and a decent mnk and you can easily easily trio the higher lvl UFO's which are 100% drop rate.

I assume people don't have said friends lieing around. But like I said lowmannable or soloable

Still have to finish the initial quest. Got a bunch of Tissues and a couple
organs, but nothing yet to complete the quest lol Need to get off my ***.

Thanks for the tip on the UFOs Frobeus.

To my knowledge UFO's aren't soloable.

Any kite method would result in taking them over water, and I don't see how anyone solo could overcome the regen.

While Pcc/Eco would be better, you wouldn't be killing baby kittens with Chiv/Wood.

I'll assume you mean aren't. Um well helixes kinda counter regen then throw in some nukes aspir/drains etc especially blinking your jas. Also they can be slepted and bound. Also supposedly a blm maybe rdm can just go crazy and 2hr them and hope it dies before they do run out doing only minimal kiting/sleep/binding. Don't really know if anyone else can. I suppose dnc/nin could probably hold them forever but not sure if they could do dmg fast enough

Must remember the baby kittens!

I dont think its possible to solo. however Duo the lower level ones are pretty ez. Nin/war + rdm/whm can duo quite efficiently. takes about 12min.

I dont have a penta setup on my sam. I dont like to merit on birds.

Penta is useful in tons of situations outside of bird meripo.

Anywhere you can cap acc with pizza(+1) pole is going to be a better choice.

(Baring some kind of SC situation)

Any thoughts on converting my THF Hauby (Acc+10 Attack+10)
over to a SAM Body (Store TP +4, Acc+10, or even Acc+10 Attack+10)?
I'm not sure if I should keep it as a strictly THF Hauby or
double up with a mini-"THF hauby" and "good NIN body piece" using
Acc+10 DW%+ on it instead since I pretty much only use THF as /NIN
when doing events?

SAM Body or update it to use for my NIN?

Um really you can get more store tp and similar accuracy easy on sam anyways. Hell you can even go with askar and get double attack +str and attack with store tp assuming your acc is fine. Sam seems to be one of the jobs that just doesn't really benefit from ACP. Thf is awesome cause well they kinda get crap otherwise for bodys.