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 Hades.Hiryo
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By Hades.Hiryo 2009-10-28 16:34:28
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I tried looking through the other threads and it looked like it just turned into a massive flame war >.>

So what gear would you advice that i use to TP/WS in for a bird meripo.

I dont have Byakko's so thats out the question as i dont have sea / sky, so yeah, what else should i use?
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By Vegetto 2009-10-28 16:38:16
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Should probably start by telling us what you DO have available rather than what you don't.
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-10-28 16:40:00
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Well he's asking for what polearm to tp/ws, so it doesn't matter what he has.
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By Hades.Hiryo 2009-10-28 16:42:09
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Yeah im asking what i should be using, so i can go and get it. :)
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-10-28 16:53:14
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Welp, the title and OP both just say "gear" so unless you're really just aiming at Polearm only, TomoeTomoeTomoe is a pretty safe answer. Anything else is either too ridiculous to obtain (Leviathan's) or isn't really practical with SAM. (Gondo's crits don't apply to WS, plus Tomoe has Acc+ over it!)

Gearing the rest of your Pole set takes more specific consideration which is probably best answered by someone elseee.
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By Hades.Hiryo 2009-10-28 16:58:34
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I don't have the ZNM to get Tomoe.. ;;

I use Engetsuto atm.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-28 17:09:37
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Gilgamesh.Alyria said:
Well he's asking for what polearm to tp/ws, so it doesn't matter what he has.

I said what he has AVAILABLE. That's the key word. Not what he has. Aka, he said byakko's are out of the picture. So I wouldn't do that in my set. What other gear is 100% out of the question and what is within his grasp or something that he would be able to obtain. I don't feel like drawing out a map for gear he's not going to consider (cuch mantle, kitty pants, black tathlum, hq acc ring, ect)
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By Hades.Hiryo 2009-10-28 17:27:49
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Anything that is insanely expensive such as Black tahlum and hq acc rings lol, im not mega rich.
Hmmm, ZNM and sea is out, but im in the process of doing sky, so that isnt.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-28 18:18:31
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Wep: Engotsu/Gondo
Grip: Pole
ranged: Lightning bow+1
Ammo: (alternative - Tiphia Sting)
Head: Ace's/Turban/Lolkar
Neck: Pcc
Ears: Brutal/Hollow (active minuet > fowling alternatives)
Body: Haub(+1) (excluding usu since you're not rich)
Hands: Hachiman Kote
Rings; Rajas/Ecphoria
Back: Forager (cuch if u have gilz)
Waist: Swift
Legs: Askar
Shoes: Fuma

If you want full haste, but ghetto 5hit (not true 5hit but depending on how many hits you land on ws), can swap out askar legs for JSE and swap out hachiman kote for dusk gloves.

WS:
Wep: same
Grip: same
Ranged/ammo: Same
Head: Ohat/Ace's/Shura hat maybe?
Neck: Shadow Gorget
Earrings: Same
Hands: Okote/Nkote (depending on if u need the acc)
Rings: Rajas/Sniper
Back: Forager
Waist: Af2/Warwolf/Potent (depending on acc between the 3)
Legs: Askar/Shura
Feet: Rutters/af2

Bst i could think off off the top of my head with what you have available.
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By Remora.Ninian 2009-10-28 18:20:41
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I'm not a SAM, but I'm going to kiiinda make things up maybe, and hopefully Veg will correct me. I'm bored and am willing to look up some things.

Barbarossa's Zerehs: DEF:36 STR+4 VIT+4 Haste+3%

Seems like a pretty decent alternative to Kitty pants I'd say.

TP in accuracy rings, can get Woodsman pretty cheap. If you have a Raja's that's better than a NQ ring...

Amemet Mantle +1: DEF:8 STR+2 Attack+15 Ranged Attack+15

Cheaper than a Cuch. Or you can do the ACP Fei'yin key thing for a decent backpiece.

Tiphia Sting: HP-25 Accuracy+2 Attack+2 Evasion-4

Pretty decent ammo, I use it on DNC.

Okay I'm bored now. :<
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By Hades.Hiryo 2009-10-28 18:21:25
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Wep: Engotsu/Gondo
Grip: Pole
ranged: Lightning bow 1
Ammo: (alternative - Tiphia Sting)
Head: Ace's/Turban/Lolkar
Neck: Pcc
Ears: Brutal/Hollow (active minuet > fowling alternatives)
Body: Haub( 1) (excluding usu since you're not rich)
Hands: Hachiman Kote
Rings; Rajas/Ecphoria
Back: Forager (cuch if u have gilz)
Waist: Swift
Legs: Askar
Shoes: Fuma

If you want full haste, but ghetto 5hit (not true 5hit but depending on how many hits you land on ws), can swap out askar legs for JSE and swap out hachiman kote for dusk gloves.

WS:
Wep: same
Grip: same
Ranged/ammo: Same
Head: Ohat/Ace's/Shura hat maybe?
Neck: Shadow Gorget
Earrings: Same
Hands: Okote/Nkote (depending on if u need the acc)
Rings: Rajas/Sniper
Back: Forager
Waist: Af2/Warwolf/Potent (depending on acc between the 3)
Legs: Askar/Shura
Feet: Rutters/af2

Bst i could think off off the top of my head with what you have available.



Thank you, that's the type of answer i was looking for. (:
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By Hades.Hiryo 2009-10-28 18:28:57
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Targeting the Captain, does that quest require an assault tag, i couldnt see if it did, if not can you just spam it for them pants?
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-28 18:31:41
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Can do it once a day, costs a coin, I don't remember which.
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By Hades.Hiryo 2009-10-28 18:38:21
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Imperial Mythril Piece~

I might see if i can get that set up then.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-28 18:39:01
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Need to clear the first 2 btw before you can do this one
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By Ramuh.Kaylea 2009-10-28 19:07:19
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there are so many good things that are r/ex to use on a penta thrust build for SAM...but since you're fairly limited on what you can obtain atm I'll just mention some things I think would help you out that you can get from AH. (remember HQ or +1 items are nice, but can't always be afforded)

-engetsuto (+1) til you can get a tomoe
-grip, I usually use pole for dbl attack+, but I guess you can use mythril+1, axe, or something else...
-black tathlum is nice, but if you can't afford, tiphia sting is ok
-I honestly don't know what AH head piece would be good lol, I guess hachiman jinpachi ; ; if you can beat MKD mini-expansion, you can get decent stats from champion's galea...or if you can get an O hat...
-I'd go w/ a haubergeon (+1) for body
-noritsune kotes for ACC (I stack ACC as main mod for penta thrust...ACC, ATT, DEX, STR)
-legs, like head, have a fairly crappy selection on AH T___T I guess you can go w/ hachiman haidate, AF, or ryl. knight breeches.... =(
-feet, hmmm, hachiman sune-ate, or if you're hume maybe marine M boots...(can try and get rutter sabatons, kinda easy to get)
-peacock charm, or if it's too expensive get a chiv. chain
-fowling, triumph, or minuet earring
-suppose you can go w/ ACC rings like snipers or woodsman, or STR rings like flame ring
-forager's mantle is fairly priced, if still too expensive I guess you can get amemet+1
-potent belt and warwolf belt are both pretty cheap....you can try both and see which procs better. =P

remember, some ppl will have different opinions than me...but as far as what you can just get from AH, I think this list should be a lil useful. sky is easy to get, if you have a group to stick w/ you, you can get it done in a few hours. also the mini-expansions, like MKD, can be done in a few hours as well. anyways, good luck with everything! ^___^
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-28 19:45:55
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Eng+1 is worse than Engetsuto
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By Phoenix.Mogue 2009-10-28 19:57:58
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1) Level Dragoon to 75
2) Level Blue Mage to 37
3) Win all your colibri parses while main healing
4) ???
5) Profit!
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-28 20:08:15
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Sam can beat drg on birds though, lol (and I have both lol)
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2009-10-28 20:46:49
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Phoenix.Mogue said:
1) Level Dragoon to 75


lol
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By Phoenix.Mogue 2009-10-29 12:33:26
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Sam can beat drg on birds though, lol (and I have both lol)


can =/= should

you'd have to be giving both an accuracy buff like hunter's (wasted on properly geared / merited drg) otherwise the sam is eating sushi and a sushi eating polearm sam isn't going to beat any kind of properly geared / merited drg eating meat.

edit: nice tp gear!
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2009-10-29 12:43:40
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Phoenix.Mogue said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Sam can beat drg on birds though, lol (and I have both lol)


can =/= should

you'd have to be giving both an accuracy buff like hunter's (wasted on properly geared / merited drg) otherwise the sam is eating sushi and a sushi eating polearm sam isn't going to beat any kind of properly geared / merited drg.


Wrong, fully merited Sam with 8/8 pole cuch mantle, black tath, tomoe, full usu tor ring is over 92% acc with a meat build, just ask vegetto if you dont believe me o/

i should also add its very possible to get near 95% acc on pole sam by doing mixed set for meat build but may require usu shoes and/or ace's helm depending on that user's setup.

idk about you, but i don't allow accuracy buffs in my merit pt's....
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By Carbuncle.Taintedone 2009-10-29 12:43:42
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InB4 "I know you only asked about Polearms, but this is my complete gear sets and if you don't use what I do you're a complete n00b?!?!?"

Simply put everything I've read on or seen regarding Sam Polearm choices goes along the lines of Engetsuto until you can snag a Tomoe. Not too sure about Gondo, but it seems like I remember reading somewhere Tomoe out DoT's it, but don't quote me on that.
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By Midgardsormr.Sammitch 2009-10-29 14:39:40
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@OP: I would put preference on Engetsuto over an unlocked Gondo-Shizunori just for the simple fact I think the extra couple Acc will be of more use than bonus crits. [plus you don't have to waste valuable hours of your life breaking the latent]

Fairy.Vegetto said:
Eng 1 is worse than Engetsuto
wut? o_oa
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By Fairy.Molok 2009-10-29 14:55:22
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delay sammich
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-10-29 15:10:14
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Meaning it likely breaks an easy 5-hit setup.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-29 15:34:41
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Midgardsormr.Sammitch said:
@OP: I would put preference on Engetsuto over an unlocked Gondo-Shizunori just for the simple fact I think the extra couple Acc will be of more use than bonus crits. [plus you don't have to waste valuable hours of your life breaking the latent]

Fairy.Vegetto said:
Eng 1 is worse than Engetsuto
wut? o_oa

Midgardsormr.Sammitch said:
@OP: I would put preference on Engetsuto over an unlocked Gondo-Shizunori just for the simple fact I think the extra couple Acc will be of more use than bonus crits. [plus you don't have to waste valuable hours of your life breaking the latent]

Fairy.Vegetto said:
Eng 1 is worse than Engetsuto
wut? o_oa

5hit eng build > 6hit eng+1 build. The lower delay kills the xhit.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-29 15:36:00
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Phoenix.Mogue said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Sam can beat drg on birds though, lol (and I have both lol)


can =/= should

you'd have to be giving both an accuracy buff like hunter's (wasted on properly geared / merited drg) otherwise the sam is eating sushi and a sushi eating polearm sam isn't going to beat any kind of properly geared / merited drg eating meat.

edit: nice tp gear!

My sam and my drg both pretty much have capped acc w/ meat, no madrigal, no hunter's roll on birds. I have both jobs and while my sam is just a smidge better geared, only missing 2 things I want for drg in terms of ws gear, and from playing both, heca hat and ares legs on ws over what I currently have won't close the current gap between my sam and my drg. (Plus I have gone off against drgs with the gear I am missing and have beaten them as sam)
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By Phoenix.Mogue 2009-10-29 19:25:05
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Ghaleon said:
Wrong, fully merited Sam with 8/8 pole cuch mantle, black tath, tomoe, full usu tor ring is over 92% acc with a meat build, just ask vegetto if you dont believe me o/

i should also add its very possible to get near 95% acc on pole sam by doing mixed set for meat build but may require usu shoes and/or ace's helm depending on that user's setup.

idk about you, but i don't allow accuracy buffs in my merit pt's....


Who the *** are you? Need some help with basic reading? Did you see where I specifically referenced wasted accuracy buffs? Do some 2nd grade comprehension before letting loose with the diarrhea of the mouth.

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My sam and my drg both pretty much have capped acc w/ meat, no madrigal, no hunter's roll on birds. I have both jobs and while my sam is just a smidge better geared, only missing 2 things I want for drg in terms of ws gear, and from playing both, heca hat and ares legs on ws over what I currently have won't close the current gap between my sam and my drg. (Plus I have gone off against drgs with the gear I am missing and have beaten them as sam)


I'll stipulate that the 92% acc figure with 5/5 usu and Tathlum (and fulltime hasso) might be accurate since I don't feel like crunching the numbers myself, but I still have a hard time believing such a setup will outdo a best-possible-geared DRG (less stage4/5 relic) for any other reason than due to a difference in player skill or subpar macro utilization. The math just isn't there for it.

Also, I think it was reasonably well settled that Zahak's > Aurum always for Drakesbane and Forager's > Cuch provided you keep capped acc. Askar pants are also a reaonably easy upgrade to get over p.pants. :P
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