Opinionated History Lessons! World War 2!

I honestly think it is true though. Hitler was thwarted in the 1932 presidential election to Hindenburg, but it seemed like he blamed Thalmann more for his loss. Later that year Hitler did win the federal election in spite of the KPD's attempt to hinder the Nazis through legal means.

It's all a wash when Hitler dissolved everything and become the dictator we all know and hate. Hitler's hatred against communists is well documented.

no doubt- he feared the communists because he personally saw the draw of it among even his own supporters early in his political escapades (pre- Beer Hall Putsch) and while in prison. He feared it because he saw it as competition. Vs his issues with the Jewish People, which he just hated because he felt used by them, and that they were taking advantage of people....all the age-old stereotypes surrounding the Jewish peoples.

Again with the Jews !

Hitler was a jerk something something Mussolini !

What is funny about Jewish people is they make up like 1% of the population.

But 100% of online discussions.

Think about or don't I don't care !

Godwin's Law has something to say about that!

I was gonna say Dunning-Kruger, but hey, I can roll with it.

wat

It's the Germans!

So, your response is that you don't like how I sourced my material? I mean, you can't really attack the opinion, so you just go for the source, huh?

Would this be better then?

If you wanted another source on the Ellwood bombardment, well, here you go

If you want a more broad aspect of attacks against the US, here is another source for you.

But let's face it, you are going to demean anything I say anyway. If you don't want to contribute to the topic or offer an opinion, that's your prerogative. You always have the option of not posting too. Just think about that for a minute!

I'm assuming that's for me. I'll explain why its amusing to me.

There is a "history" between them.

So if you run it back on the quick recap:

Person A: Makes an "absolute" claim in regards to WW2, Hawaii and USA

Person B: Drops little known factoid about attacks on US Mainland that actually had a big impact on US domestic policy during WW2.

Person A: Goes hmmm "I didn't know that, I learned something new today"
*Reads up on Wiki* "Well now that I've read up on it, it was no big deal in grand scheme of things."

Person B: "Oh! you reads a Wikipedia article and suddenly talking like you know this ***and are trying to tell me something"

Person C: Wat?

Person D:
Person E: Wat?

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Now this is the good part: How does this tie into the Topic?
Its analogous to the exchanges between Rommel, Hitler, and Rundstedt when strategizing unit placements along the Atlantic Wall. When Rundstedt finally understood Rommel's desire to move panzer units forward but out of range of Allied Naval Artillery (opposed to Hitler and by an extent Rundstedt wanting Panzer units further inland) and Rommel was like "oh so now you're gonna tell me about what I already told you; like I wasn't the one that told you".

*disclaimer*

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/world-war-ii-history
Facts, Opinions X

So?

That doesn't mean that we can't share opinions on what ifs and possibilities.

Plus, you might learn something new. Which is a bonus, if you think about it.

More like sporadic facts and tidbits, while omitting major details.

The problem with the "Facts vs Opinions" statement regarding warfare is that the victors always write the history books. Try living in the Midwest of the United States and hoping to learn something about the Native Americans of the area...the true history has been completely wiped out of existence, from landmarks to text books to even local lore.

In terms of WW2- there's about 6 versions of "history" at least...between the British, the Americans, the Russians, the Germans, the Japanese...and the truth. And if we care about the truth, it often means facing harsh realities that go against tradition and accepted beliefs of our home country.

Its hard for Americans to hear we dropped the 2nd bomb to test a Uranium vs Plutonium bomb in actual environments, not military necessity.

Its hard for British to hear they NEEDED help.

Its hard for the French to hear they were just another occupied country no different than Hungary or Poland.

Its hard for Germans to hear about the compliance they had with Hitler's policies.

Its hard for Russians to hear that Operation Barbarossa failed because of bad German planning, not Russian superiority.

So there's just a lot that different areas of the world don't want to talk about, but is all "Facts".

Its not really hard to hear that. We gave the Japanese a deadline to surrender, we don't know what happened between the day we issued that ultimatum and the actual deadline, because the Japanese have never released the events that transpired. Most people believe Hirohito wanted to surrender, tried to surrender, and there was an attempt on his life that stopped him. But we will never know, and we dropped the 2nd bomb. It was better than the alternative.

While true, there has been some movement towards preserving Native American history after the fact.

On topic: Another interesting tidbit that Americans probably do not want to hear or be reminded of is, while ours were nowhere nearly as bad as the Germans, we did hold internment camps (concentration camps for people to compare with) during the war.

History of internment camps in America.

Another source for those people who hate wikipedia.

1. Yes, you're right. and if you go out West, you see this. But when I see homes in my town here in Ohio built on top of obvious burial mounds of famous chiefs like they're just high ground, I think too much damage has been done in the Midwest to ever fully recover outside of a few sites preserved because the pre-War of 1812 settlers and military didn't need that area.

2. 10000% correct. Our treatment of the American Citizen Japanese was disgraceful. And makes current actions at the Southern Border seem a lot more in line with the history of The United States.

I live in South Texas and we have museums dedicated towards Native American history. Again, after the fact situation, things that were preserved were only done so by local residents, not governments.

The treatment of the Japanese Americans were horrific, even at that time. In a sense we were just as bad and complicit as the Germans at the time.

As for the current treatment of the Southern Border, I'm not allowed to discuss this by Rooks, so we have to leave it at that.

These are good discussions. I hope you come up with more Chatterbox things.

Here's another Godwin corollary: The Nazis ironically found American Jim Crow laws and treatment of Native Americans rather harsh but admirable when shaping the Reich Citizenship Law and the Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor.

Hitler was likely disappointed that the Americans chose to fight with the Allied Forces because he was a big admirer of American history. He bench-marked Mein Kampf manifesto with 19th century American manifest destiny.

NASA killed Kennedy to ensure a memorial-type status of his dream of the moon, ensuring their financing. It was John Glenn on the Grassy Knoll.

It's always interesting to see various posters from various countries and see how the billions each country's government spends on propaganda affects their citizens' mindsets for global issues like this, and how much factual data penetrates it. Extremely hard to overcome that degree of attempted subtle bias affirmations.

(Most of my countries' travesties are internal and they also try to keep them very well hidden.)