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By Nariont 2020-01-22 10:30:29
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It was meant for tagging, which it works alright in that context, would have preferred a non-damaging tag though
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By mhomho 2020-01-22 11:40:15
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We don't need anymore white knights on the internet! Do ya'll want another crusade?
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2020-01-22 11:55:37
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mhomho said: »
We don't need anymore white knights on the internet! Do ya'll want another crusade?
Actually, yes. I want Crusade II!
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By Asura.Schroe 2020-01-22 11:59:58
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mhomho said: »
We don't need anymore white knights on the internet! Do ya'll want another crusade?
Reprisal 2 Job gift. Hits in an Aoe. I can take or leave a Crusade II, unless it let's me go full deus vult and gives massive holy damage bonus.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-01-22 12:05:55
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What point is Reprisal getting a buff for enmity if you can't block ***to begin with?
Pretty sure you have <10% block rate with Aegis on content above 130.
And without Aegis you die from Magic damage.

Even with reprisal, Aegis' block rate is dogshit.
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By Asura.Schroe 2020-01-22 12:10:21
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Asura.Shiraj said: »
What point is Reprisal getting a buff for enmity
Would be nice if it could give us a large enmity boost, like Foil. It needs a large CE boost and blocking definitely needs to be reworked.
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By DononofSylph 2020-01-22 12:26:43
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Re-work Flash via JP to give enmity bonus and alonside blindness, increases block rate of flashed foe.
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By Pandemonium.Zeto 2020-01-22 12:41:50
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I mean if Reprisal buff gave a flat Batutta-style buff instead of blockrate*1.5 it'd feel not as ***... But more enmity on cast would at least give PLD another enmity tool and an AoE one at that.

Blocking in general and the REMA shields need some reworking though. Being able to swap shields without losing TP would be a nice buff...

Well a lot about PLD needs reworking, let's be honest.
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By Shiva.Ariaum 2020-01-22 14:00:43
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What are you ppl using Aegis for? lol Random escha fights some Omen? lol
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-01-22 14:31:05
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Shiva.Ariaum said: »
What are you ppl using Aegis for? lol Random escha fights some Omen? lol

The content where it matters.
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By Shiva.Ariaum 2020-01-22 14:33:33
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What would that be lol?
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By Ozaii 2020-01-22 14:35:21
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You use aegis for the same reason you use burt or epeo on the tank jobs. Extra cushion. Except aegis is a magic cushion.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-01-22 14:35:43
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Shiva.Ariaum said: »
What would that be lol?

If you've played ffxi recently, most of the damage dealt to players which is threatening is Magic. PLD's LOLmagic evasion doesn't help it.
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By Shiva.Ariaum 2020-01-22 14:37:08
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@ Oz lol.

Iono tanked most everything in the game its a neat macro swap for sure.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-01-22 14:38:04
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Shiva.Ariaum said: »
@ Oz lol.

Iono tanked most everything in the game its a neat macro swap for sure.

That means paying attention. who the *** pays attention when on this game.
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By Shiva.Ariaum 2020-01-22 14:41:48
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If you're that dumb set up react lol.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-01-22 14:51:34
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React is for gimps.
Multiboxers can use it fine, but if you use that with only 1 char you suck man.
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By Shiva.Ariaum 2020-01-22 15:01:54
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Seems fitting for you then.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-01-22 15:12:24
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Asura.Sirris said: »
Paladin definitely needs something analogous to Foil. But even with a lot of changes rune fencer just has a huge advantage in their kit, the synergy between RUN and SMN, or RUN and nukers, or RUN and melee DDs... you'd really have to overhaul the tanking role to fix this. The changes you propose aren't nearly enough.

Still, there are only three tanking jobs. Even if paladin is kind of bad you can usually make it work, so it's not the worst spot to be in?
For real, take it from a Ninja, not raining on the parade, but at least PLD ain't NIN. ;;
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By Ozaii 2020-01-22 15:29:36
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Yes it is feasible to tank things without it ya. But its also the same reasoning as to why not just use it. Like alotta runs use epeo even though lion heart pushes more damage because epeo is safer. Same thing applies here. And you arent swapping because if you are you arent tanking properly. Pld can toss out 20k ws easily. Even on the current ambu with many things beating on you while also helping cure and constantly grabbing the megaboss that hate dumps. And can probably hit higher numbers as well. With a reasonable set you can actually tp pretty well. So swapping is goanna gimp your usefulness. But yes it is technically feasible to tank everything without it just requires more effort/work. But I did not see you mention anything like this. Please mention this next time as it does help make your point more so than saying people are bad.
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By Shiva.Ariaum 2020-01-22 15:53:17
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If you are full timing it you are bad.
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By Valefor.Yandaime 2020-01-22 16:22:50
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Shiva.Ariaum said: »
If you are full timing it you are bad.

I don’t think that’s a fair stance though because Chivalry? Unless you are guaranteed a source of Refresh, you’ll be hurting for MP on longer fights from dumping your own TP.

Shield swapping also cuts your TP for battle purposes too so I simply disagree with that statement. Shield-swapping is probably useful but it can’t be denied that it has a price.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-01-22 16:32:44
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Shiva.Ariaum said: »
If you are full timing it you are bad.

You're a bad troll, bro.
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By Jormundr 2020-07-08 15:40:12
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Reprisal: Make this the PLD Foil equivalent. 1sec cast with 45sec recast, and 30sec duration. Self targeting with the same enmity as foil. Increases current block rate by 50% and no longer has a spike/decay mechanic.

Atonement: Remove the SC properties and let it be spammable like Sanguine Blade OR... Raise the silly damage cap to a more respectable level and let it hit nearly as hard as Savage Blade, before WSD+ and Fencer effects, while retaining it's SC properties.

Divine Magic: Give this a purpose other than a highly resisted Flash. AAEV's non-burst Holy 2 hits harder than I've ever been able to muster. The entire line of Banish and Holy spells are essentially useless.

Enmity: Not entirely sure if this would be overpowered but.. Give PLD some way to break the VE cap by 600 or 1200 or so allowing PLD to retain hate for a short period during hate capped scenarios. With VE decaying at a rate of 60/sec this only gives superior enmity for 10-20 seconds before requiring reapplication. This extra VE could be handled any number of ways. Tie it to a specific spell or ja like the aforementioned Foil-like Reprisal, make it part of Atonement, or allow PLD to surpass the VE limit with any VE ability while Majesty is up.
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