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Samurai new TP set/new best ws!
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By Odin.Skeero 2014-06-17 13:59:25
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oh this thread lol. Jassik take a step back and take a hint lol
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-06-17 14:07:13
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Skirmish dupe glitch and corsair glitch inc maint for sure, if we go pass that one we good :D
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By Asura.Altaire 2014-06-17 14:33:43
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Odin.Skeero said: »
oh this thread lol. Jassik take a step back and take a hint lol

It was bound to happen. People don't read anything.

I just wish they didn't nerf SAM so hard.
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By Asura.Echandra 2014-06-17 14:34:08
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Asura.Ccl said: »
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3000 tp fudo seems to good to be true, I fear nerf/ninja fix soon.

You mean "It's horrible. It needs a buff, not a nerf. SAM really needs more to be a competent DD job."
You know, in case SE reads this.


Yeah sorry my bad english isn't my main language, I meant Fudo suck so bad now :/ I regret wasting gil on it.
Now everyone will bring back the parse to crush your Sam...such a waste of Alex.
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By Valefor.Mattyc 2014-06-17 14:39:13
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yep, i totally regret being almost finished with my Koga, BIG WASTE OF TIME :/
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By Asura.Failaras 2014-06-17 14:49:59
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New Otomi Helm is a pretty baller Fudo piece if people didn't know that yet, augment STR+8 on it.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-06-17 14:52:01
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Odin.Skeero said: »
oh this thread lol. Jassik take a step back and take a hint lol

For all the people assuming I don't understand sarcasm, a lot are missing my own.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2014-06-17 15:08:07
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what an unconvincing attempt at save face
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2014-06-17 15:10:40
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Meditate is actually broken however.

/sam gets 60 tp
Sam Main with Meditate gears gets 1000 not 1600...
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By Valefor.Maurauc 2014-06-17 15:11:46
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Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Meditate is actually broken however.

/sam gets 60 tp
Sam Main with Meditate gears gets 1000 not 1600...

Not noticing any issues with me. Getting 1000 on BLM/SAM, and 1800 with my mediate gear.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-06-17 15:21:31
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Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: »
what an unconvincing attempt at save face

Believe what you want.
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By Ragnarok.Drewbles 2014-06-17 19:57:17
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Waste of a space thread, 90% garbage... Back to the OP... News on hit sets?
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By Asura.Failaras 2014-06-17 20:12:22
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I'm not even close to being sure what sets to use now but I'm trying to tweak my sets to just focus on DA/TA/QA since STP seems to matter way less. Xaddi Body is probably gonna become even better, Xaddi Legs too. I imagine Xaddi Feet could become good due to DA if you can't get a +2 DA Otronif.

Edit: Oneiros Ring as mentioned earlier, Mala probably even better, maybe even Atheling over JSE cape for non Accuracy sets.
 
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-06-17 20:33:21
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New base tp/hit for 450 delay gkt is 12.6(might be 12.7) apparently, assuming 1 hit if you ws in 34 stp you get 21.9tp/ws(22.0 if 12.7) you need 68tp(65 if 12.7) on gear to get a 4hit with stuff like koga.

For tsuru, 3hit with ionis still not really pratical, but for the 4hit you only need 33*(only 31 if 12.7) stp on gear.


I'll double check later before making sets
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By Ragnarok.Drewbles 2014-06-17 21:00:48
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My friend swapped over to windbuffet and mes' body, I think thats fair trade.
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By Asura.Failaras 2014-06-17 22:30:05
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Other than Otomi Helm are there any augmented WKR items people are particularly excited about? the OAT GKT looks neat but probably no where near good, dunno about anything else.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-06-17 22:32:15
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Asura.Failaras said: »
Other than Otomi Helm are there any augmented WKR items people are particularly excited about? the OAT GKT looks neat but probably no where near good, dunno about anything else.

For SAM? Buremte Gloves with haste/DT augments are kinda cool for hybrid/acc sets if you need the 5% haste or don't have access to skirmish gear. Ejekamal with STR are pretty top tier for Fudo and useful in some TP sets. Other than that, I don't know.
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By Asura.Failaras 2014-06-17 22:39:25
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I'm not sure Ejekmal Feet will beat the normal Relic 119 though. Ejekmal head seems way worse for Fudo than Otomi. Buremte look interesting.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-06-17 22:44:05
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59 STP was giving me a 4 hit without Ionis. Threw this set together in the field to test new STP a bit. It doesn't drop off for 450 delay and below like before, either.

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Haven't messed around with Ionis sets much, though. Once they get the new STP math hammered down I could see some 3-hit Ionis fodder builds being worthwhile.
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By Remora.Brain 2014-06-17 23:14:20
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TP per hit for Amano and Anahera are at least 12.2 and 13.6 respectively.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-06-18 03:55:57
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Did more test 450 delay gkt is 127 base tp/hit for sure.

Koga 4hit=> 65 stp on tp/34 stp on ws.

Tsuru 4hit Ionis 31 stp on tp phase.

Adding Lentus grip make that 13.2 tp/hit wich make tsuru 3 hit with
98 stp + lentus grip; so not viable outside of samurai roll setup.
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By Carbuncle.Killkenny 2014-06-18 06:20:30
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Failaras said: »
Other than Otomi Helm are there any augmented WKR items people are particularly excited about? the OAT GKT looks neat but probably no where near good, dunno about anything else.

For SAM? Buremte Gloves with haste/DT augments are kinda cool for hybrid/acc sets if you need the 5% haste or don't have access to skirmish gear. Ejekamal with STR are pretty top tier for Fudo and useful in some TP sets. Other than that, I don't know.

In any real situation where you need to make an accuracy swap such as Buremte gloves, you will also have capped magic haste. Wakido gloves bonus is not going to be worth giving up.

X hit builds are far less relevant now than they were before because of how much faster ftp scales. For pretty much all builds you will be prioritising stp over small amounts of double attack/crit rate regardless of how much you already have.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-06-18 08:27:36
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Carbuncle.Killkenny said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Failaras said: »
Other than Otomi Helm are there any augmented WKR items people are particularly excited about? the OAT GKT looks neat but probably no where near good, dunno about anything else.

For SAM? Buremte Gloves with haste/DT augments are kinda cool for hybrid/acc sets if you need the 5% haste or don't have access to skirmish gear. Ejekamal with STR are pretty top tier for Fudo and useful in some TP sets. Other than that, I don't know.

In any real situation where you need to make an accuracy swap such as Buremte gloves, you will also have capped magic haste. Wakido gloves bonus is not going to be worth giving up.


X hit builds are far less relevant now than they were before because of how much faster ftp scales. For pretty much all builds you will be prioritising stp over small amounts of double attack/crit rate regardless of how much you already have.

Where are you getting this? Just because some people roll around with a 99 dharp/ghorn brd doesn't mean that everyone or even most people do. Having capped magic haste isn't certain regardless of accuracy needs. Unkai Haidate +2 are often a worthwhile tradeoff anyway.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-06-18 08:56:15
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What are you fighting that you'd need so much accuracy that you'd drop wakido hands haste ?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-06-18 09:02:59
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Ircinraq would be an example but he melts like butter post update.
I have to agree Wakio Kote +1 is a static item in all situations outside of Weaponskills.
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By lhova 2014-06-18 09:06:37
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SO I hear Fudo hits like a truck now. A ls member told me he was getting 17k Fudo's with Tsu (I'm assuming QA procced but still). A lot of people are saying that the reign of Sam as top DD is among us. Thoughts?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-06-18 09:06:37
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Swapping in Unkai Haidate +2 wouldn't cost you any haste, but I'm not talking about a specific instance. I'm looking at instances where you don't have a 4 song BRD or the upcoming AF3 update that will likely make Unkai legs more desirable for TP sets.

lhova said: »
SO I hear Fudo hits like a truck now. A ls member told me he was getting 17k Fudo's with Tsu (I'm assuming QA procced but still). A lot of people are saying that the reign of Sam as top DD is among us. Thoughts?

Lots of stuff is still better handled by RNG methods and lots of stuff resists slashing damage, but SAM got a big boost.
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By Carbuncle.Killkenny 2014-06-18 09:06:49
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Odin.Jassik said: »
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Where are you getting this? Just because some people roll around with a 99 dharp/ghorn brd doesn't mean that everyone or even most people do. Having capped magic haste isn't certain regardless of accuracy needs. Unkai Haidate +2 are often a worthwhile tradeoff anyway.

Has nothing to do with 99harp/horn, even with a +2 brd you will spend 70%~ of your time with a marcato'd march (ie capped magic haste).

What real scenario do you find yourself in where you need to make large accuracy swaps and you don't have capped/near capped haste? None unless you are bad at this game.

Unkai Haidate +2 is also illogical if you're in any situation when you care about hybrid/DT purposes.

You're gaining ~12 accuracy at the cost of 2% haste and large amounts of defensive, dumb.
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