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 Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-11-30 11:15:12
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Nice update for SAM.

Quint Spear + Apex Arrow! AGI mod, ignores DEF with reports of it doing 2700 damage to EP mobs.

SAM has good AGI options too. I'll make a set and edit this.

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By Fenrir.Curty 2011-11-30 11:41:25
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What was the news on if it's usable without rng sub? And anything on SC properties?
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2011-11-30 11:43:24
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I would assume at least Light, since that set is using Light Gorget/Belt.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-11-30 11:51:14
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Light gorget/belt are just place holders until properties are found out.

Someone testing on BG posted this:

K went to Zi'Tah to remove the fSTR2 problem. Tested on the funguars there.

151 STR 113 AGI = 2475 damage
137 STR 113 AGI = 2475 damage
124 STR 113 AGI = 2475 damage
124 STR 148 AGI = 2736 damage


It is SAM main, SJ doesn't matter.
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By Siren.Barber 2011-11-30 11:54:18
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Guess a lot depends on if that 2700 number is from a sam or from a ranger. W/o relic bow sam is already at a 15% disadvantage in base bow damage from easily obtained rng options. Also, the stupid distance penalty will punish sam. Then there is the matter of gear. All that to say that 2700 number on EP could turn into a 1500 on EP really quick which his largely unimpressive.

Edit: posted before above post. Seems like an option maybe.
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By Asura.Dtroyy 2011-11-30 11:56:50
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brb yoich
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-11-30 12:10:53
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Siren.Barber said: »
Guess a lot depends on if that 2700 number is from a sam or from a ranger. W/o relic bow sam is already at a 15% disadvantage in base bow damage from easily obtained rng options. Also, the stupid distance penalty will punish sam. Then there is the matter of gear. All that to say that 2700 number on EP could turn into a 1500 on EP really quick which his largely unimpressive. Edit: posted before above post. Seems like an option maybe.


All good points.

Beursault Bow +1 seems like your best bet for now. The big advantage for SAM is TP gain. RA SAM isn't for IT mobs, its for mowing down EP to VT with constant WSs.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2011-11-30 12:24:25
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Wouldn't a GK that you could 4~6 hit with be more reliable than a low delay polearm that has inferior skill?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-11-30 13:41:50
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Asura.Kaisuko said: »
Wouldn't a GK that you could 4~6 hit with be more reliable than a low delay polearm that has inferior skill?


Not really. For Namas spam I 5hit quint spear. So any 4-5 swing round = instant WS. Any 2-3 round means I if the 2nd round rolls 2-5 I'll have 100tp+. Its pretty crazy how fast you get TP.
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By Sylph.Aleaucent 2011-12-02 01:30:31
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Yeah i do the same setup on Yoichi SAM as Taint. 4 hit after ws and /drg for acc, jumps, and wyvern earring. With haste only I can ws every 5 second and self light over and over with namas. I haven't even tried it with a brd and marches yet......
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-12-02 01:32:06
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The fTP and stuff is here, if you guys are interested:
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Apex_Arrow

I'm updating them as they're discovered. The secondary property isn't Scission or Reverberation, but it is a tier 1.

Konzen-Ittai -> Apex Arrow (Frag) -> Kasha (Light) -> Fudo (4 WS Double Light) might be kinda cool.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-12-02 11:14:38
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
The fTP and stuff is here, if you guys are interested: http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Apex_Arrow I'm updating them as they're discovered. The secondary property isn't Scission or Reverberation, but it is a tier 1. Konzen-Ittai -> Apex Arrow (Frag) -> Kasha (Light) -> Fudo (4 WS Double Light) might be kinda cool.


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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-12-03 05:54:54
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Yo! D-bawx me that K-club so I can test Stardiver's "Crit Defense Down" effect faster tonight! =p kthx!

I'm testing Temper at the moment, so I'm not there.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2011-12-03 06:16:34
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Hmmm Isnt Konzen > Kasha a light? Konzen > Apex is for sure frag and not Light right away?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-12-03 06:27:03
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If you could, that'd be great. No rush to do it though. I won't be testing it for another ~4 hours.

Because of the order Konzen-ittai's properties, Konzen->Frag is actually Gravitation -> Frag -> Fragmentation.
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By Phoenix.Eckeward 2011-12-03 07:30:31
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Tachi: Shoha is also Fragmentation. At last we get a fragmentation WS skill. (well 2)
Now we can cycle through level 2 SCs ad infinitum.

Rana > Shoha(or A.Arrow) > Gekko > Kasha > Rana > Shoha(or A.Arrow) > Gekko > Kasha > Rana > Shoha(or A.Arrow) > Gekko > Kasha > Rana > Shoha(or A.Arrow) > Gekko > Kasha > Rana >> Fudo

If you can get TP fast enough^^
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2011-12-09 21:36:21
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Except it caps. I tried once something like this and you cant get more than 1 type of sc2 (like you cant make 2x fragmentation in one chain of skillchains)
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2011-12-09 21:38:57
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Asura.Xeth said: »
Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
Hmmm Isnt Konzen > Kasha a light? Konzen > Apex is for sure frag and not Light right away?
It's Fragmentation.
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2011-12-19 06:28:26
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What kind of numbers are non-yochi SAMs pulling off with this?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2011-12-19 14:00:21
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Odin.Llewelyn said: »
What kind of numbers are non-yochi SAMs pulling off with this?

Once I have it 5/5 I'm going to do some testing on how viable it is.

I can say this. At 4/5, killing EP----- Yagudo in West Saru (S), it was missing way more than I'm comfortable with in full damage gear.

We'll see where things go from there.

Edit: Of note, even my full damage gear needs work. Haven't geared myself specifically for sam/rng in so long. Yoichi has been pretty much out of my reach due to various circumstances and I had given up on having a non-/rng ranged ws available to samurai. Building from scratch these days, more or less.
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By Asura.Hyden 2011-12-26 20:43:41
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Someone please tell me there is no point to getting relic+2 legs for Apex. Keep trying to tell myself that STR+6 > AGI+4 :(
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-26 20:51:37
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Asura.Hyden said: »
Someone please tell me there is no point to getting relic+2 legs for Apex. Keep trying to tell myself that STR+6 > AGI+4 :(
You don't need to get relic+2 legs for Apex.

? <.<
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By Fenrir.Kaomii 2011-12-27 07:21:46
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On Fodder, Ambusher's will be better. On a monster with stats similar to the stats Bukhis has in Motenten's spreadsheet, relic+2 legs and Ambushers are identical in damage.
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By Ragnarok.Stiel 2011-12-27 08:33:00
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About Sam/rng, wouldnt nemus salvars +1 STR+4 AGI+6 Ranged Accuracy+4 Enmity-3 beat ambusher in ws?
Since Sam have lower accuracy,and this ws like to miss some of the hits
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By Fenrir.Kaomii 2011-12-27 09:06:50
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My weaponskill set is identical to Taint's listed in the first post. Plugging my gear into FFXIcalculator, I have capped ranged accuracy against a level 104 monster, 426 evasion. That is without food and discounting the 35 ranged accuracy on Yoichinoyumi.

The accuracy difference between using Nemus Salvars +1 and Ambusher's Hose is 1% hit rate, though, when you convert the 4 Agility to Ranged Accuracy, and then to hit rate. You're also trading 4 WSC.

Honestly, with the amount of Agility Samurai is able to stuff into each equipment slot, it's not terribly difficult to cap (or come close to cap) ranged accuracy from Agility alone.
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