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Best role for Samurai in Abyssea
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-07-02 00:42:53
Siren.Kyte said: Pandemonium.Ironguy said: well i mean, judging by your initial comment, you were probably under the impression samurai was bandwagoned pre-abyssea just because it was overrated, which it in fact stomped every other melee in every single situation (with a polearm on merit/einherjar/dynamis/etc, gk for hnm) bar dl/kv/bv2 zergs basically (kclub drk ahoy), but as i said, the game's no longer about who can deal the most damage, it's about who can do the stupid weapon skill that does 5 damage and who can't
Stomped is a strong word...Warrior(/SAM) was strong long before Abyssea and MNK was pretty comparative (arguably better) for Salvage. MNK stopped having any real lead over SAM in Salvage once they introduced the starting chest tbh. After that, really depended on your setup and how aggressively your SAM could play.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-07-02 00:44:35
i remember being the shizzle
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-07-02 00:44:59
Odin.Zicdeh said: Everyone knows the only duo that can take down shin without a brew is DRK and PUP. Shinryu laughs so hard he goes into cardiac arrest.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
/EM fARTS
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-02 00:45:54
Siren.Kyte said: Stomped is a strong word...Warrior(/SAM) was strong long before Abyssea and MNK was pretty comparative (arguably better) for Salvage.
My issue with WAR was it was a *** glass-cannon. Without a DNC there to basically baby them, they couldn't fulltime hasso without eating a face full of bad ***.
RC warrior was still a beast though.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-07-02 00:47:23
<3 da choppa
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-07-02 00:57:35
Siren.Kyte said: I guess if you're looking at it from the defensive side then your argument makes sense; SAM could get PDT/MDT easier and lost much less when going /NIN.
only times i ever cracked /nin out period was for dark ixion and tiamat, the former of which i'd solo tank daily, since as long as you can count to three, you'd avoid enbind/engravity, which then made avoiding the tp moves a joke
but yea, if it was a matter of being able to go full-out, mnk/war would be up there too, but time and time again, pretty much any sub that wasn't /nin resulted in the monk dying, unless they had spharai, which even then ended up being an mp sponge
Ragnarok.Hevans said: swift belt 
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: MNK stopped having any real lead over SAM in Salvage once they introduced the starting chest tbh. After that, really depended on your setup and how aggressively your SAM could play.
oh yea, before the starting chest was implemented, it was pretty much at least ONE monk or don't even bother going basically, i don't deny that whatsoever; it tends to slip my mind there was a time when that crate didn't exist, since i was initially doing nizzle izzle for like a good six months when salvage/nyzul first came out :(
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-07-02 00:59:02
I don't like BRD in Salvage, everyone gets ***before me.
I kinda raged when a sam insisted to get a bow before I could get my instruments.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-07-02 01:03:06
Shiva.Flionheart said: I kinda raged when a sam insisted to get a bow before I could get my instruments.
unless it was yoichinoyumi, you could've/should've promptly told them to
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-07-02 01:03:35
Shiva.Flionheart said: I don't like BRD in Salvage, everyone gets ***before me.
I kinda raged when a sam insisted to get a bow before I could get my instruments. Even if it was BR and you needed the bow for gears at the end, you're bound to get like, 100 ranged cells instead of anything useful before then. That's just silly
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-07-02 01:05:39
Pandemonium.Ironguy said: Shiva.Flionheart said: I kinda raged when a sam insisted to get a bow before I could get my instruments.
unless it was yoichinoyumi, you could've/should've promptly told them to
I did, he beat my lot lol.
Last time I ever did salvage, and last time I'd ever do it with a PUG.
And he had a lamian kaman I think
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By Siren.Kyte 2011-07-02 01:06:04
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Siren.Kyte said: Pandemonium.Ironguy said: well i mean, judging by your initial comment, you were probably under the impression samurai was bandwagoned pre-abyssea just because it was overrated, which it in fact stomped every other melee in every single situation (with a polearm on merit/einherjar/dynamis/etc, gk for hnm) bar dl/kv/bv2 zergs basically (kclub drk ahoy), but as i said, the game's no longer about who can deal the most damage, it's about who can do the stupid weapon skill that does 5 damage and who can't
Stomped is a strong word...Warrior(/SAM) was strong long before Abyssea and MNK was pretty comparative (arguably better) for Salvage. MNK stopped having any real lead over SAM in Salvage once they introduced the starting chest tbh. After that, really depended on your setup and how aggressively your SAM could play. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Siren.Kyte said: Pandemonium.Ironguy said: well i mean, judging by your initial comment, you were probably under the impression samurai was bandwagoned pre-abyssea just because it was overrated, which it in fact stomped every other melee in every single situation (with a polearm on merit/einherjar/dynamis/etc, gk for hnm) bar dl/kv/bv2 zergs basically (kclub drk ahoy), but as i said, the game's no longer about who can deal the most damage, it's about who can do the stupid weapon skill that does 5 damage and who can't
Stomped is a strong word...Warrior(/SAM) was strong long before Abyssea and MNK was pretty comparative (arguably better) for Salvage. MNK stopped having any real lead over SAM in Salvage once they introduced the starting chest tbh. After that, really depended on your setup and how aggressively your SAM could play.
My point is that saying SAM was completely overrated is almost as silly as saying it totally ***all over everything else on everything, when it fact it didn't necessarily.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-07-02 01:18:22
Siren.Kyte said: has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like
that's how it comes off to me at least, and i don't mean that in a smart-*** way either; read it over to yourself there
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By Siren.Kyte 2011-07-02 01:20:11
I'll read it over in the morning lol, it's getting late so my mind is elsewhere.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-07-02 01:21:25
np; i'm rather caught up being a cowboy atm anyways, so it's all good around here stranger
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By Odin.Zibo 2011-07-15 19:25:47
Not going to bother reading the thread, but I'll try to contribute anyway.
I don't find myself coming sam often to abyssea seeing as I have thief and blu, but it's not to say that sam is useless. It is definitely not the best DD, but in the right hands it can still deal respectable damage. When we don't need grellow and have another thf, I often come sam/war and DD/tank. Sam is a great compliment to another tank, but if necessary can even main tank. I don't really know what you're looking to do in abyssea, but sam/war can tank the majority of NMs aby has to offer, just takes a bit more support than a ninja, mnk, or thf tank.
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By Phoenix.Nihilist 2011-07-15 20:36:05
Odin.Zibo said: It is definitely not the best DD, but in the right hands it can still deal respectable damage. Your mom is respectable
No but seriously my wife's PLD and I do awesome in abyssea (PLD/WAR: Mounted Champion, Vicissitude, Stronghold) and I go SAM/THF, throw in our BLM and WHM friend and we have a blast, may not be the norm but we have fun doing the classic setup...
"Just lvl MNK and duo ***with MNK and WHM"
My rebuttal: suck my balls...yeah that's right...right under the sack too..don't forget that part
point is let us have fun
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-07-15 21:22:05
Phoenix.Nihilist said: Odin.Zibo said: It is definitely not the best DD, but in the right hands it can still deal respectable damage. Your mom is respectable
No but seriously my wife's PLD and I do awesome in abyssea (PLD/WAR: Mounted Champion, Vicissitude, Stronghold) and I go SAM/THF, throw in our BLM and WHM friend and we have a blast, may not be the norm but we have fun doing the classic setup...
"Just lvl MNK and duo ***with MNK and WHM"
My rebuttal: suck my balls...yeah that's right...right under the sack too..don't forget that part
point is let us have fun You are an awfully belligerent person, word to the wise: you don't make many friends insulting the man who did you no wrong.
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Hi,
One of the guys in my weekly static group (8 years and going strong) only has Paladin and Samurai > 75 (both are at 90) half of this staic group only play once a week (we are all irl friends and keep in touch this way), we have been doing a lot of Abyssea stuff lately and he is feeling kind of useless/bored. I understand that a lot of Abyssea NM's are beaten with one or two tanks and some good healers, and people to hit weaknesses (blm,brd,blu,war,etc..) This pretty much leaves PLD and SAM mostly out of the picture. He likes playing SAM more than PLD (though PLD can hit a surprisingly large number of red weaknesses) so I was wondering how you guys play Samurai in Abyssea. What role do you normally fill and do you have any suggestions on what he can do to feel/be more useful during our events?
I have a SAM at 90 but have not ever played it in Abyssea beyond leveling it up there. I am hoping SAM becomes more useful in the outside of Abyssea content that is forthcoming.
Thanks!
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