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GK Keitonotachi question
 Asura.Xrenbond
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By Asura.Xrenbond 2010-08-19 14:55:58
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so i kinda recently came back finding there was more new GK. I've been using the Hagun and someone told me the new ToM GK is better. So i wanted to try and get the Keitonotachi with Store TP +5. I don't have the gears to make it a 5 hit setup and i haven't meritted my store tp yet. (and i will soon since i know this is important). So i can do a 6 hit setup while i try to obtain gears for the 5 hit setup right now. So i don't quite know which one is quite better. anyone with advice? will appreciate

Hagun or Keitonotachi w/ Store TP +5

I might lean towards Keitonotachi with the Kasha damage % added but i'm a gekko spammer ><

Thanks
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By Phoenix.Lykain 2010-08-19 17:50:15
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If you 5-hit it, the Keitonotachi is better for most situations. Without the 5-hit though, stick to the Hagun.

EDIT: This is assuming you 6-hit the Hagun btw. A basic rule of thumb would be... if your Keitonotachi gets to 100 TP in less hits than your Hagun, it's better.
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2010-08-19 18:06:35
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parse wise my 6hit keito outparsed multiple 6hit haguns by a good 4-5%
but recently invested to drop it down to a 5hit using this

TP

with Sole Sushi

WS

shm. haidate temp until myochon haidate +1
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By Seraph.Rafik 2010-08-19 19:25:47
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krayrs you can also weapon skill in Hachiman Domaru if you want more strength DEF:47 STR+8 "Store TP"+6 Weapon Skill Accuracy+8

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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-19 19:38:39
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Tp'ing in white tath, or Unkai would get rid of Shinu, also use Domaru over askar for ws.
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2010-08-19 20:12:56
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o, i didnt even look at domaru, never have owned one lol
guess its coming back :o
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By Seraph.Rafik 2010-08-19 20:16:22
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Fenrir.Krazyrs said:
o, i didnt even look at domaru, never have owned one lol
guess its coming back :o

the people that would tp in it gave it a bad name.

it isnt a bad piece at all, especially if you need the store tp from it.
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By Sylph.Shadida 2010-08-22 12:49:39
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I love Keitonotachi. Here are my TP and WS sets for 5-hit. I eat Carbonara - won't have to if I get Usu body (but that's probably not happening any time soon).





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By Sylph.Rorrick 2010-08-22 13:00:57
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Sylph.Shadida said:
I love Keitonotachi. Here are my TP and WS sets for 5-hit. I eat Carbonara - won't have to if I get Usu body (but that's probably not happening any time soon).






I'm no SAM, but is there any particular reason you eat Carbonara over using White Tathlum and Rose Grip so you can eat attack food?
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By Valefor.Yelsaewnor 2010-08-22 13:03:47
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Just got my usu feet and finished my 5 hit for my Kokushitsunotachi (the high dmg OaT one).





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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-08-22 13:04:37
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Sylph.Rorrick said:

I'm no SAM, but is there any particular reason you eat Carbonara over using White Tathlum and Rose Grip so you can eat pizza?
ftfy. Attack is only relevant on SAM during TP, not a lot during WS...
Carbonara:
Food Effects: (30 minutes, All Races)
HP +14% (Cap: 175 @ 1249 Base HP)
MP +10
Intelligence -3
Strength +4
Vitality +2
Attack +18% (Cap: 65 @ 361 Base Attack)
Store TP +6
{From Wiki}
The only other real alt would be Red Curry Buns, but.... eh
@above poster: WS in Hachiman Domaru and Perle Feet. That's 13 combined STR, better than your current Osode/Usu feet setup.
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By Valefor.Yelsaewnor 2010-08-22 16:04:54
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Phoenix.Fredjan said:
@above poster: WS in Hachiman Domaru and Perle Feet. That's 13 combined STR, better than your current Osode/Usu feet setup.

That would leave me one short on WS build. Could see if I could fit one more STP in somewhere, but i don't see a slot where the sacrifice would be worth it. Working on relic bow currently, so not planning to use white talthum, though I am looking at less expensive options for upgrading ammo slot in the mean time.
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By Phoenix.Lykain 2010-08-22 16:14:12
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Valefor.Yelsaewnor said:
That would leave me one short on WS build. Could see if I could fit one more STP in somewhere, but i don't see a slot where the sacrifice would be worth it. Working on relic bow currently, so not planning to use white talthum, though I am looking at less expensive options for upgrading ammo slot in the mean time.

Aesir Ear Pendant -> Attila's maybe?
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-22 16:30:04
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TPing in this



Lets you WS in



Losing only 8STR (1 from Osode, 2 from Thew bomblet, 5Perle feet). On the other hand using Carbonara if you're capping accuracy and this same set lets you use Perle feet over Usu, for only 3STR loss. I don't think there's better options really.

Edit: Carbonara would give you true 5hit with above set, letting you swap all pieces.
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By Odin.Lancaster 2010-08-22 17:12:04
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If you're going to use /DRG and Wyvern Earring with Bullwhip, you can drop 1% haste by switching from Dusk to Perle and gain 4 STR, 2 DEX, and 5 attack.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-22 17:23:51
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I know, I don't have bullwhip though, made the set a while back for something or other.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-08-22 17:29:31
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Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:

5+4+2+1+7+5+7 = 31, lose the usu feet for hachiman(+1) feet.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-22 17:35:22
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Yeah that'd work better thanks. Actually using Carbonara and above set would let you swap all pieces for WS losing 0STR.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-08-22 17:38:01
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Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Yeah that'd work better thanks. Actually using Carbonara and above set would let you swap all pieces for WS losing 0STR.


See, I'm not retarded and can count >_>
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By Carbuncle.Ennayram 2010-08-25 00:42:50
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Am I doin it right? Will that allow me to WS in full STR gear?
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By Cerberus.Oblit 2010-08-25 09:08:16
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I WS in full STR(including Bobcat belt) because I only use Keitonotachi(STP+5) when tanking and I had to eat carbornara for extra HP, for other things I use Kokushitsunotachi (D:71 OAT).